I'm seriously considering voting for Obama...

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by CParso, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Finally. You're coming around to McCain's way of thinking.:thumb:
     
  2. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes and it ain't the statement you put in quotes, as if I had said it. Don't ever put words in my mouth and then tell me I'ts preposterous. Here is what I said in context. This is something else entirely.

    There, I never said it was the democrats "turn". I said the republicans need to be out and then I gave reasons why.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, McCain has come around to Bill Clinton's way of thinking. :grin:
     
  5. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    I knew the righteous indignation would come out!! The phrase "all things being equal" means "Even if the Republicans had the same policies as the Democrats, the Republicans need to be out of office for a while".

    Regardless, the word turn was indeed not in that post. I'm still trying to find it.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Clinton was getting BJs at Drive-In movies when McCain proposed his 1st non-partisan spending cut.
     
  7. LSUAthletics

    LSUAthletics Founding Member

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    Regardless if it's 47% or 38% that don't pay taxes my point is still the same. How is Obama cutting taxes for people that don't pay taxes. It's nothing more than a redistribution of wealth government handout. How can it be refuted that an increased tax rate for those making over $250,000 and handouts for those not paying taxes is redistribution of wealth?

    It is what it is. Small businesses and individuals making over $250,000 will pay higher taxes under Obama's plan and handouts will be given to those that pay no income tax. This is vintage redistribution of wealth.

    Obama's spending plans:

    $65 billion-a-year health plan (Similar Hillary plan estimated up to 150 billion.)
    $15 billion in green energy spending
    $85 billion in tax cuts and credits
    $25 billion-a-year increase in foreign aid
    $18 billion a year in education spending
    $3.5 billion for a national service plan

    This totals $211.5 billion annually on top of the already existing running deficits. (The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) predicted the federal deficit for fiscal year 2008 would come in at $410 billion.)

    Since you are so concerned with the deficit, and rightly so, what is the expected net revenue generated from Obama's tax plan? (Tax increase for those making $250,000 plus and tax cut for those making less.) How is Obama going to reduce the huge estimated deficits while creating huge new spending programs that will no doubt cost much more than his estimated $211.5 billion annually? Please explain to me how Obama's tax and spending plan is a responsible one.
     
  8. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Why is it always the EVIL wealthy people? Why isn't it ever the EVIL poor people?

    Granted there are rich people who don't give a damn about others (including the self-righteous Hollywood crowd) but there are also tons of philanthropists who support charities, research, education, parks & recreation, etc.

    Many of these people prefer making society better without government intervention. They don't want another Bill Clinton saying...I can spend your money better than you can.

    These people are made out to be cold-hearted while many who have the ability to contribute and choose not to are considered innocent victims of a cruel society.

    Are we to believe that any politician believes we can make things better or move back into the black by raising taxes? Hell no! They manipulate uneducated people and then the money goes straight into special interests.

    If you tax me more then you force me to sit on the remainder of my money. The amount you take won't compensate for the money that I will save as opposed to it constantly changing hands. I'll simply wait four years (or how ever long it takes) to start spending again.

    When Katrina hit LA/MS, people from all around the nation donated cash. This wasn't in addition to their normal donations though. Many other charities realized a sharp decline in gifts because people were simply donating elsewhere.

    If you raise taxes on those who can afford to pay, you'll also be taxing those who can afford to give. Expect a sharp drop off in charities if taxes increase. Maybe that's part of the master plan. Less money to Christian churches would go over well with some.

    If you want to fix the problem...stop spending! Also hold non-contributors accountable. We're getting no return on our investment in tons of people on public assistance.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Show me where Obama has said that he intends to give handouts to those who don't pay taxes. The math is simple. If he intends to cut the taxes of everyone below the top 5%, then 95% of the taxpayers would owe less taxes. For those 38% who pay zero (those working people earning less than $20,000), then a cut of zero is zero.

    Just go to Obama's web site http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ and see what he actually proposes--A tax cut for working families.

    Once again, just like John McCain, you fail to mention the middle class anywhere. You act like there are only the poor and the rich and the vast middle class should all kiss the rich man's ass. You want the 5% to get all the tax cuts and the middle class can suck eggs. Sorry, been there, done that.

    Plus, Obama's plan is for individual tax payers, not business taxes. In fact on Obama's site he proposes:


    I haven't promoted Obama's spending plan here at all. Rather I have criticized the Republican borrow and spend plan of the past 8 years and McCain will deliver more of that.

    In the face of our deficit, this endless war, and this unprecedented fiscal crisis, I don't see how either candidate can still be talking about tax cuts. We're going to be borrowing money we don't have to get our Wall Street billionaires out of trouble for borrowing money they don't have.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who has said anything about evil wealthy people?:huh:
     

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