I'm seriously considering voting for Obama...

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, I think they care a great deal. The change they want is bi-partisan cooperation to get the work of the country done. Of course, neither candidate can afford to abandon the left and right wings of their parties in order to get elected, but I think both of these guys are going to take sharp turns to the middle once he is in office.

    You only have to look at Reagan and Bill Clinton for sucessful examples. Reagan ran as an extreme right-winger, but he presided as a moderate, working closely with Tip O'Neil and democratic leaders in Congress. Clinton ran as a liberal populist, but presided as a moderate, working closely with a Republican Congress to supercharge the economy and reform welfare.

    Bush 43 and the Neocons felt like a tiny majority was all they needed to simply ignore the other party and reshape America in their ideological image. It was foolish for a fellow that won with only 50% of the vote and it proved disasterous.

    This is why the Clinton's are not getting wholeheartedly on the Obama bandwagon. If Obama stays too far left or stumbles, The Lady in the Pantsuit wants to be able to preserve her moderate credentials to take him on in 2012.
     
  2. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    I can understand your sentiment, but the problem is, any vote against someone must be made by voting for someone else. In this case, unless you're voting for Ron Paul, a vote against the Bush Administration (which isn't on the ballot, btw) is a vote for Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Dodd, et al. You know, the guys that collectively have a 9%.....9%!!! approval rating. The more I watch, the more I'm considering looking to a 3rd party candidate. No way would I vote for Obama, and I'm not sure I can hold my nose and vote for McCain.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Obama's support from the democratic left wing is exactly the same as McCains support from the republican right wing (of equally low approval ratings). They are doing it for campaign expedience. Neither candidate is likely to be a pawn for those guys because they won't have to and they realize that The American People are looking for a moderate.
     
  4. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    So...have you made a decision yet CParso?

    By the way, it was real nice meeting you this weekend. The guys and gals you were with are some great folks also. I hope you guys join us again in the future.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    What I'm saying is...oh never mind. You'll just twist my words and trumpet your greatness.
     
  6. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    If the election were today, I would vote for Obama, but I haven't made up my mind completely yet.

    Thanks, I'll definitely have to come stop by again. That was probably my parents' only game for the year, and it was their friends' first game over so I'm glad ya'll helped show them a good time.

    By the way, I always pictured you being much older...
     
  7. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    I'm not sure how the Bush administration came into this, but I can only say that Bush has nothing to do with my vote.

    I would've voted for McCain over Bush.

    I liked Obama at first just because he was a great speaker. A lot of things made me stop liking him (his pastor, etc) to the point where I would've said the same - "no way would I vote for him", but a friend of mine challenged me to look more closely at his policies and that is what has made me start to change my mind.

    I also feel a comfort level with explanations for some of those things that made me not like him.
     
  8. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    Red is forced to take the left's side so that we actually have something to debate here. He's said it many times, and yet nobody seems to understand it...
     
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  9. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I'll take that as a compliment.
     
  10. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    More like an old guy too set in his ways to consider other points of view. :grin:
     
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