I'm seriously considering voting for Obama...

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The care isn't bad. The system is bad. We have, by far, the most expensive health care in the world. We don't get the world's best health care for it either. The high costs of US medical technology and prescription drugs are bad enough, but the high administrative costs of a complex, multi-payer system in the US is out of hand. Between 19% and 24% of total dollars spent on US health care is spent simply on administrative costs. LINK

    Obviously, National Health Insurance is nothing like near the socialized medicine programs of Europe. A National Health Insurance plan fully involves private insurers, private hospitals and private doctors. The competitive system remains in place, charity hospitals disappear (socialized medicine if it there ever was), and doctors, hospitals and clinics will have to perform well to attract insured patients, who can always go elsewhere.

    A wild guess. Your proposal to do nothing is leading to health care that nobody can afford. Already the single biggest cause of bankruptcy of working middle-class Americans is medical crisis. None of us are safe from this. Cancer or a need for a heart transplant can bankrupt any of us.

    Medicare and the private health insurers already do this. I had to change my doctor from one affiliated with BR General to one affiliated with Our Lady of the Lake for a year and a half because my very good Humana Insurance had a dispute over what they were willing to pay BRG for certain procedures.

    Most of the "rich guys" are Republicans who don't even need insurance because they can simply pay all expenses.

    Unemployment is less than 5% in this country and many of those are just between jobs. Almost all of us are working. Your yardman, janitors, Wal-Mart stockers, and garbagemen work hard and don't earn enough to pay for much insurance. We need these people too and they are working for the help they get. Most people actually on welfare since the Clinton reforms are dependent children and their mothers. Even they don't say on for more than 3 years. Your stereotypes are simply wrong.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    People in Hell want ice water, too. :grin:
     
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  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Back to this, Obama's mother was a whore and he is a Mama's boy who will do whatever Michelle and Nancy Pelosi tell him to do.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Really? Does the entire 7th grade feel that way?
     
    red55, Oct 13, 2008
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    they all agreed she was while they were smoking their post-cotial cigars :)
     
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  6. Chip82

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    I'm sorry Red, but your analysis is so far off that I can't even begin to show you how wrong you are.

    Most hospitals in this country are non-profit. Even with that status, the government creates a huge amount of overhead through the ICD reporting system and HIPSA service access controls. JACHO, which accredits most hospitals, also adds red tape to an incredible degree.

    If Obama gets elected, right from the start you will see....

    1. Over 750 rural hospitals will go out of business within the first 18 months.
    2. Territorial access to a gatekeeper, who then decides the provisions and least restrictive progression for your treatment regimes.
    3. Through the introduction of unionization to all healthcare facilities under Obama's plan, you will see service provider shift/time limitations which will have a direct influence on the difference between life and death for some patients. (If you look at the track records of unionized facilities vs. those who have an unstructured non-exempt workforce, you will see a huge difference in outcomes. (Tampa General is a poster child for how not to run a hospital, but that is exactly the model Obama will impose.)

    And worst of all...
    4. A single payer system which will wipe out any semblance of healthcare choice and timeliness of care left in this country.

    Does anyone ever bother to ask how the Canadians feel about having to come to the US to get any type of specialized treatment within a realistic amount of time?
    And then have to pay out of pocket for it?

    Does anyone ever bother to ask the British why they have people lined up outside of their Emergency Rooms, and have those patients confined to ambulances outside the building instead of being brought inside?

    Does anyone ever bother to ask the French why their nursing home population now has the highest death rate in the free world?


    Obama's plan is a recipe for disaster to the healthcare industry.
    Just like Obama's recipe for huge cuts to the defense industry will kill that sector of the economy as well.

    I envision about a 12% unemployment rate after the first three years of an Obama regime...:(

    But I am prepared for an Obama presidency if it comes...
    You too will do OK if you currently have at least $350 worth of expendable cash left over each month from your current wages to be able to pay for the Socialism that is coming.
     
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    Chip82 Founding Member

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    A rating system based on a SOCIALISTIC Healthcare rubric means squat to any patient who wants to walk out of a hospital with a successful outcome.

    If you look specifically at patient outcomes, the US is way ahead of everyone else except for Iceland which is neck and neck with the US.

    Obama will destroy what is currently, "THE state of the art healthcare system," worldwide.
     
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  8. houtiger

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    Conservative for Obama:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/a-buckley-endorses-obama/
     
    houtiger, Oct 14, 2008
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  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Yes and we had a McCain-Pelosi rally with punch and cupcakes.
     
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