I'm seriously considering voting for Obama...

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Why you slob their knob so much is quite beyond me. It's like your strange love for Iraqi Ragheads. People who work for a living are getting screwed by the tax system in favor of the idle rich who let their money grow with low capital gains taxes.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Then bitch about the tax system not the ones who are benefiting.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    OK. I'm upset with a tax system that benefits the R-Words.
     
  4. LSUAthletics

    LSUAthletics Founding Member

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    You've already advocated a top income tax rate of 50%. How much higher should the capital gains tax be?
     
  5. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    "Idle rich?" Just how many Paris Hilton's and Kim Kardashian's do you think are out there?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    For people making over $10Million a year!

    The same as any other income, obviously.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    More than two.
     
  8. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Yes, I have said I am undecided and would remain so until the debates. Watching Obama's lack of performance in the last week has not inspired me at all. McCain started out well but certainly sputtered. My personal economic beliefs have always been more in tune with conservatives. I would say I am a McCain lean at this point, but he still has plenty of time to screw up, IMO. However, I also stated at the end of the post you quoted, that congress bothered me a great deal more than either guy, and I will probably have more motivation to keep them at bay, as opposed to voting for a particular prez. And instead of disputing any of the failures of your particular candidate, you merely comment on me being undecided?


    So the google machine broke down for you here? You get to refer to a report you heard on a left wing news agency? Where is the link to the impartial site that details all of McCain's proposed spending? As you demand of all others, so should you produce. Otherwise, your statement is false. And since you will probably just ignore this whenever you respond, I will go ahead and post an independent website that totals Obama's and McCains proposed spending. I far underestimated Obama's($292 bill), and you far overestimated McCain's($92 bill). That aside, in the recent debate, McCain proposed a spending freeze(um, I think that means no additional spending), and Obama did not. Doesn't really matter what McCain may have proposed in the past. He recognizes that things have changed quite a bit and he has to adapt. I did not hear Obama say anything like that.

    http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141


    You should read the things you link more closely. It did not say that small business owners, filing as individuals, making over 250k would not see an increase in taxes. The article disputed McCain's claims about how many small businesses qualified under those parameters. The small business owner I described most assuredly will see their taxes go up, according to the very link you provided. And Obama's "wealthy" tax bracket is 200k/250k.

    From your own link:
    They make a valid argument for why McCain is wrong on his estimates, but do not give solid numbers to explain how many small businesses will be effected.

    As I said earlier, that is the number they gave, but did not specifically support this estimate. I gave no such number, but merely said many small businesses. And what that means is even though someone might not be a traditional small business, they will still get the highest tax bracket. Yes, those evil couples making 250k/year. The new billionaire...

    Regardless, everything I said was accurate.
     
  9. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    mccain's "spending freeze" is misleading when you consider that he removed the biggest chuck of the budget from the "freeze" (entitlements and military), then added the open-ended whopper "and anything else important" [thats a paraphrase, so dont give me a hard time.]

    it was a gimmick from the party of gimmicks.

    O said he wouldnt do that. said he make case-by-case decisions because he thinks some things need more $$$ and he specifically mentioned early childhood education. of course, he could have said "yea, me too, freeze, freeze. except for important things"
     
  10. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Spin it how you want from the party of spin. McCain's proposed increase in spending is less than 1/3 of Obama, and McCain did mention a freeze. He at least advocates reducing govt, while Obama wants to wildly expand it. You can't disprove it so you are forced to discount it.
     

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