Wow!!! You are talking about exterminating damn near a billion people, the vast majority of whom do not want to kill you, yet they are the radicals. That is a real Christian outlook on life.
WOW! you have no idea what they want. where did I say kill a billion people? I said get rid of the problem. There's always some collateral damage. I don't see anything about genocide in my post..... extermination of terrorists is hardly a billion people. Speaking of problems....................... I'd support your travels in the mid east. I think I have a couple of MRE's left my bro in law left here. I can send them to you. Maybe a first hand look would help your outlook.
Then you don't approve of Truman's actions in WWII? Correct? Do you approve of God destroying people at Soddom as well as the great flood? That was also the Christian thing to do. These kind of posts really makes my blood boil. Before I'm villified here I will make my points now because I think there are to many people that want to appease the true villians in todays society. 1) I do tolerate Muslims, radical or not because I'm a tolerant person living in a tolerant society although I prefer radical ones dead since 9/11. 2) They are the ones that won't tolerate anyone that doesn't believe their beliefs and want to kill Americans and innocent civilians, they do train people and children to hate and kill people. 3) We didn't start this they did, we or "I" are not the villians here! Its amazing to me what people say and how they act in these threads like this can't happen in this country. We are sleep walking here like back in the 70's and 80's just as then before :911: (Its a matter of time before people blow themselves up to kill people in this country) 4) You, Red and others want to abide by the Genevia convention, remember? That won't work when your at war with terrorists, watch this closely. INNOCENT people will die in Lebannon, Syria and Iran because the terrorists use them as human shields and hide amongst the people SO if we play save all the people than we are going to lose. 5) Diplomacy doesn't work with these people, that is why the Democrats will lose again this year. They still are out there saying Bush should have dialog with terrorists and enemies. 6) The way I see it is that Iraq is the big test, If Democracy fails in Iraq than all hope of is lost for the other countries. Those opposed of going to war in Iraq have said that Iraq war wasn't worth it because they aren't civilized enough, etc. 7) You can only change people through Democracy or trying to help them but if they kill innocent people and blow things up still you have no choice. I have no problems with bombing these countries to the stone age so that they don't have time to kill innocent people, they would have to rebuild their countries and it might do them some good. Maybe they would then question their god, religion and have a change of heart? 8) If you oppose my view then how many casualties and years of war are you willing to accept versus ending it all in a matter of hours? Why don't we put perspective on things unlike the spin from the media. Why don't more people on this board come up with solutions instead of attacking someone else's views? This isn't directed towards anyone, I see a lot of this in this forum all the time. This stuff makes me sick, we let Iran and Syria feed the problems in Iraq and we've done nothing about it. This is not the right message to send, we should've done something to put a stop to that. I feel that our foreign policy in the middle east has been a failure since the beginning of time but I don't know what we've could've done with the exception of making terrorist Arafat a hero at the UN. WE let terrorism grow until today.
One more thing, WE aren't neutal. Isreal is fighting our battle against Hezbollah. Hezbollah is our enemy who has said they want to kill Americans and have killed Americans in the past. They are doing the work we failed to do in the 70's and 80's. People in this country should be hoping and praying for them to succeed.
God did those things. Are you really trying to equate God to radical Islamic terrorists? I tend to think He has a better idea of the big picture, so if that dude wants to destroy the world or a city I’m pretty sure He knows what’s up. I don't tolerate radical Muslims nor should anyone. Radical people of pretty much any doctrine need a good swift kick in the balls. I did not defend radical Islamic murders. I was just pointing out that the "kill em all and let God sort em out" attitude is one a Christian should never take. I didn't villify anyone. I don't know that I have ever mentioned the Geneva convention except in the thread about the Supreme Court and Gitmo detainees. And there all I did was say that the rights of detainees need to be defined before trials begin if their rights differ from those of POWs under Geneva. Again I know that collateral damage is a part of war. But it is a tragic part of war. No Christian should revel at the death of innocents. I would never promote indescriminant killing of all Muslims to get the ones we don't like. I have never mentioned diplomacy. Please stick to what I say. I think the actions of Iraqis make it clear that they are not advanced enough to be democratic. They need a strong man to keep the minorities in line. Are you kidding? These folks are crazy. I think distance and defense are the best policy. I am not opposed to racial profiling. It is not about a number of casualties, and it should not be. Anyone who can look at the situation in Iraq and think that our policy is working is a fool. It's time we start letting the Iraqis do for themselves. Personally I think we turn our backs on the middle east. Let them fight out their sectariarn wars, and in a thousand years when they are up to snuff we deal with them again.
We kept our distance and ignored the radical movement in the middle east for decades. We even tried to negotiate peace deals for them. How did that work out for us? Iran kidnapped Americans and what was our response? Nothing. They killed 240 marines in Beirut and what was our response? We pulled out. They've attacked American interests all around the world in the 80s and 90s and what was our response? Not much. We negotiated the greatest deal Arafat would ever get and was his repsonse? Screw you! I would agree with you if these radicals were content with fighting amongst themselves. But clearly their mission is to destroy Israel and anyone who supports them. That includes us. They are willing to die for their cause, which makes them an extremely dangerous enemy. After 9/11, I don't see how any American can suggest we ignore them and/or negotiate with them. It's going to take more than military power to defeat them. Spreading democracy and freedom to that region is a must. Will that work? I dunno, but if it doesn't, they'll be attacking us for a long time. We know they aren't afraid to fight for their cause ... the question is, are we?
We have signed the Geneva Convention Sourdough and have abided by it for many decades. Does America's word mean nothing? All civilized countries follow these guidelines because you treat enemy prisoners the way you expect your own prisoners to be treated. Just because we come up against brutal criminals from time to time, doesn't mean that we have to follow suit. This kind of shallow reasoning is part of what is very wrong with this administration right now and it gets my blood boiling, too. Sooner or later we are going to have American POWs in the hands of North Korea or Iran or some other enemy and they may be treated harshly because if we can ignore Geneva, so can they. America needs to stand for what is right, proper, and ethical and let the terrorists stand for what is criminal, wicked, and loathsome. We can beat them without sinking to their level. A non-sequitor if I ever saw one, this sentence makes no sense at all. Furthermore, if you payed close attention, you might notice that the Republicans are in serious trouble in the 2006 elections and even more so in 2008. Anyone that thinks that nuclear weapons are the solution to every problem is very foolish indeed. The phrase "bomb them back to the stone age" is a clue that they don't understand understand the real limitations of nuclear weapons. They also don't understand geography very well if they think there are enough nuclear weapons in existence to "end it all" for the entire islamic world. There are 7 million of them living in America, for heaven's sake. Moreover, we are not at war with any countries! We are at war with shadowy guerrilla groups of terrorists. We can take down any country in the middle east with conventional forces alone if we needed to. What possible targets are we going to hit that will "end it all" for Al Qaida. We don't even know where they are or we could take them out with special forces and conventional airpower. Haven't we learned a thing about engaging in unneccessary wars? Al Qaida will not be defeated except by infiltration, espionage, and guerrilla tactics of our own. Bombing Syria, Iran, or Yemen just won't help. Baby sitting a civil war in Iraq surely isn't doing a damn thing to help. We aren't winning, we aren't losing, we are just sitting there taking casualties at great expense, apparently quite satisfied with no working strategy and maintaining the status quo. Well I ain't satisfied. And neither is the majority of the electorate.
Technically true. But we did shoot down one of their commercial airliners and killed 248 Iranian civilians in 1988. Unintentional perhaps, but the Iranians definitely saw it as payback. So did I. I thought it served them right. I agree totally, as far as Al Qaida is concerned. They are the Islamist extremists that took their war to the United States. I disagree that we must take on the entire islamic world in response. It just ain't practical even if it were logical. The Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq are more interested in killing each other than us, they never attacked us. The PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah are all focused on Israel and have not attacked us. Hezbollah only attacked us when we were on their turf, they did not bring it to America. Sure we must support Israel in dealing with her enemies, but I fail to see that we must take on her enemies as our own nor those many other radical islamic groups that have their own local agendas. Al Qaida first and foremost. If we don't punish the people that attacked us we encourage copycats. We must refuse to be sidetracked by every loud-mouthed muslim in the world until Al Qaida is destroyed.
Now, where did I say Nuclear weapons? I thought we had bombs other than nuclear weapons? Haven't we learned anything from Vietnam and other wars fought where we don't try and win it all, guerrilla war does us no good trying to weed out evil. You will lose more than you will win. You said civilized countries, does that include Iran, Iraq (before 03), pakistan and Syria? So you think we're fighting a bunch of Brutal criminals, I see. North Korea isn't a problem but Iran is, you say we aren't at war with any country, I disagree. Any countries leader who comes out and talks about destroying a civilized democracy is a threat to the US. POW's, not on my watch, if I can help it, I would avoid the war with Iran by bombing them back to the stone age with conventional not nuclear weapons. What doesn't make sense? Democrats, French, etc want to negotiate with Hezbollah all over the tv. Hezbollah are terrorists that kill have killed Americans. They are sponsored by our enemies, Iran and Syria. Not at war with any countries? How long will that be, we are all but at war with Iran and Syria right now. They are bringing weapons and terrorists in Iraq to kill Americans. I disagree, we are at war with any country that breeds terrorism where young kids are interviewed on tv saying they want to kill Americans. Haven't you seen that by now? About the electorate, Gore and Kerry were suppose to win but when it got to that time they didn't? Why, because they didn't run on anything other than attacking the other side. Once again, no solutions, just like some people who criticize while not having any solutions. Better not call a Jihad on my watch or annilation of Isreal because I will see to it that you are really fully engulfed in one, I don't take those words litely. Its a matter of time before we are at war with Iran and Syria the way I see it. I think we have to take on the whole Islamic world because this radicalism spreads like a disease. The problem is that it is too fuzzy to see the good guys from the bad for now and that is unfortunate. Haven't we learned anything from Isolationism? WWII, Hitler? The way I see it, there are too many parallels to WWII Pearl Harbor Komokozis, who blew them selves up to kill people WTC Terrorists who do the same. If anything it is truely war of the worlds. The problem is in WWII you knew who the enemy was. Today you don't know, could be the kids next door that could blow you up. Like "vietnam" More reason to bomb Iran, Syria, Pakistan, etc. I guess we disagree:yelwink2: TigerWins is correct!
Whether anyone thinks the Iraq war was right or wrong, we cannot allow Iraq to be controlled by a radical regime. We have to make sure a moderate government takes hold. If not, we'll be paying dearly for it at some point in the future. We were there as part of an international peacekeeping force, not to fight Hezbollah. Tucking our tails and running was a huge mistake, IMO. It only made them more powerful in the region. We don't have to take them all on militarily, but the international community can put pressure on countries that sponsor terrorism, namely Syria and Iran. These radical groups would be nothing without the financial support of these countries. Arab countries will never like us, but it doesn't mean they can't learn to live somewhat peacefully in the world. Egypt and Jordan is doing this for the most part, even though they hate our guts. Hell, even Kadhafi agreed to give up weapons, and you know he hates us with a passion. Maybe I'm being naive. Maybe we can't change that part of the world. But I don't see how we can ignore all these radical groups and those states that sponsor them. Al Qaida wasn't formed with the intent of destroying America. It wasn't until the gulf war when we became their target. We can't allow other groups to become that powerful. Who knows how long it'll be before they turn their anger on us.
