Look up the word "Monopoly" Yes you can corner the market on labor too martin. :dis: read some history before you spout off what you know about economics. You are naive to think large corporations wouldn't dictate market value for labor. How old are you man? crack open a history book. :dis: If I am not mistaken, the Labor laws we have now are in place as a result of mis use by large corporations. Gee imagine that. :dis:
I'm delighted that you would try to use cotton as an example, amigo. It makes my point. In order for American cotton farmers to sell cotton in the global market and pay US workers, the US government subsidizes cotton farmers to the tune of over $3 billion a year! That's 230 dollars an acre. You and I are paying for it. The World Trade Commission has a major probem with US cotton subsidies and is using it against us in the trade wars.
American Farmers shouldn't be growing cotten and sugar cane anyway. We can get that stuff cheaper overseas. They should concentrate on growing hgh-tech crops like soy.
the US workers and the subsidies dont exactly equate, in south Texas they grow cotton and use immigrant workers. same subsidies. now what? besides most all growers get subsidies. fix one thing, or both but start somewhere. When your tire goes flat do you fix the leak in the radiator? you need to fix both but which one? national security comes first the HOLES in the border are NATIONAL security, these bleeding heart liberals who scream "we cant exist without these workers" are the same ones who want the borders OPEN, wide a$$ open. There are no new frontiers here on earth, no new land. We need to protect ours. The american dream ceases to be the american dream if you let the whole world live it. Through out history ( us included ) People have ALWAYS taken land and fortune from those that will LET them do so without defending it. That is exactly what is happening. You may not see it that way but you're blinded. I got an idea, lets let everyone over like red rover and when it's all used up they won't want it anymore. :dis: then we can have what's left for our posterity. here son here's your part of a good life, what's left of it, a pup tent and some paper plates. you see the trees but what's that a forrest? You have to draw the line somewhere. Illegal aliens need to go. if they are naturalized then they aren't illegal. let them work. if they snuck in 5 years ago they aren't naturalized, deport them. kids too, sorry no free rides. if they are migrant workers tell them to vote for change in their country or form a coup and become a democracy. That's how we did it, we took over the land that we ocupied, that was claimed by a soverign nation ( England ) that we didn't like. It's not a new concept. maybe if they take over their own area, they can get an SBA to give them minority loans since most of their kin folk are over here. They should qualify as a minority in their own country. Don't get me wrong I like latinos, eskimoes, etc... it would make no difference if it were canadians. it's not a race thing, it's a population thing. The ecomomy is getting more and more automated. For you and martin to sit and say, get an education and a better job is naive. That won't work for EVERYBODY. and I would worry about everybody, because the un educated unhappy people will flat out TAKE what you have regardless of who or how educated you think you are. The have nots will TAKE from the haves, if you don't protect it. It's a law as old as time. You complain about farm subsidies to US farmers but don't mind the tax burden of the illegal aliens/migrant worker's whose offspring are naturalized by birth here and afforded your tax dollars for welfare. Oh golly Uncle JS gee I didnt factor that in......duh! You cant blame them for wanting to come here, who wouldn't? While we are at it let's just fully fund the save the seals foundation and the save the world foundation and let's put those poor people in Ubangi to work in the coal mines, it's just too dangerous for US workers. :dis: by golly while we're at it, let's just save those darn whales too! and those poor Somalians, gosh aren't they hungry? yeah so hungry they've learned to shoot! :shock: it's nice to be all welcomy when you have plenty, just check the silo first, the cupboard ain't lookin so hot lately. Open borders with a third world economy wont work. they'll bring the economy to it's knees and even Stevie Wonder can see that good day sir. :usaflagwa
Uhhh . . . The ones screaming "we can't exist without these workers" are the corporation-friendly neo-conservative Republicans in power, you know. The bleeding heart liberals are the ones promoting the hire of unionized American workers even if it requires billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies. I'm for a proper balance between the two philosophies. You seem to be defending both extremes.
red is actually right. you are making a straw man argument as if favoring immigrant labor mean i also favor giving them all sort of welfare too. i am defending allowing immigrants to work, while opposing giving people getting a free ride from our welfare system. and i am also opposing welfare for businesses in the fom of subsidies and tax breaks. you are basically favoring socialism and opposing free trade in an effort to favor american workers. that plan ends up hurting everyone. i dont see it as an us vs them. immigrants are awesome. they want to work and be a part of america. i say let em in. and if american workers can't compete, too bad, welcome to capitalism. i dont want to pay any extra for products made my americans. i reward work, not nationality. it is wrong to think we need agriculture and manufacturing jobs in america. we dont. artificially propping up these industries because of this misguided belief cripples our economy.
Do you know what comparative advantage means? Have you ever read a sentence in an economic textbook? Your arguements are just non-sensecal. oh and "They terk our jerbs"
