'Illegal' is the Key Word

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  1. martin

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    use the feeds and set some filters for your shows, it works perfectly. i always have the show i missed the same night it airs, without doing anything.
     
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    I can tell you love bananas, but man does not live by bananas alone. Take these four staples: wheat, corn, soybeans, potatoes. The dominant suppliers of these (other than the U.S.) are China, the Russian Federation, and India. All those small farming nations are great, but they do not produce enough to supply the world. You still don't understand that the United States must remain self-sufficient at providing food for ourselves. If we put ourselves at the mercy of these three wonderful examples of political stability, we can forget about it. Yeah, they want our money, but our power comes from the fact we don't have to give them our money if we so choose. That's a nice political tool when you are negotiating nuclear agreements and such, I'd imagine.
     
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    we are going in circles. countries like japan prove that you can be perfectly safe and well-fed and be a net importer of food. but you refuse to accept it. japan isnt close to self-sufficient food-wise, but they are a relatively rich country, so they can buy whatever they want.

    we can exchange money for goods and services, it seems simple, but you dont get it.
     
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    FYI...Ford owns Volvo and Mazda.
     
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    Japan is safe because they have found favor with the U.S. since we kicked the crap out of them in WW II. Plus, I believe Japan subsidizes what agriculture they have at a rate of about $4,000.00 per acre, last I saw.
     
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    are you saying they are safe because they can get food from us? i guess that means one of two things are happening:

    1. they are taking advantage of our subsidies, in which case that sucks for the hard-working american that is paying taxes to help feed rich japs.

    2. they are not taking advantage of our subsidies, and are buying at cost, in which case i suppose american farms can compete without help and do not need subsidies.

    beside the point, they cannot produce nearly enough to feed themselves and they must import, the situation which you claim is too frightening.
     
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    of course, we have it, you have forced the american taxpayer to help provide it. i dont think it is justified to tell hardworking americans they have to help our food industry so they can sell to the japanese.

    let the japs pay the bills if we really have them by the balls like you say. if they need our food for survival, then why should we paying our tax dollars to farms? cant the japs who need the food pay the bills?

    obviously, they can just shop somewhere else if the prices are too high. but you cant admit that either, because if were true for them it would be true for us.

    i could give a damn if they all starve, it just happens that what is best for us is best for them too, free trade helps both sides.

    right, at the expense of hardworking americans paying for food subsidies for american farms. we limit our economic growth with taxes so we can feed the world?

    so why are taxing ourselves to keep our farms afloat, if we: "have something they must have for survival." sounds like they should be doing the paying.
     
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    Right, very similar to how we can just shop around for cheaper oil, cheaper gold, cheaper silver, etc. etc. etc.
     
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    you are distracting the issue with dishonest one-liners again. food is nothing like those things. food comes from all over the world, while those things only come from specific regions.

    my point about japan is the nail in your argument's coffin. a perfectly wealthy country can easily import their food.

    and you argue that japan can only do that because they depend on us, then we obviously dont need subsidies, because we have buyers who need our food and they should be paying the cost of food production, not taxpayers.
     

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