ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT

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  1. GiantDuckFan

    GiantDuckFan be excellent to each other Staff Member

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    when she gets bent over a chair, it's always, "who's your daddy?"
     
    GiantDuckFan, Jun 20, 2018
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  2. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    I guess you got your answer from trump himself this afternoon.
     
    el005639, Jun 20, 2018
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  3. Frogleg

    Frogleg Registered Best

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    NOT GUILTY!
     
    Frogleg, Jun 20, 2018
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  4. HalloweenRun

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  5. Kikicaca

    Kikicaca Meaux

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    You are just jealous aren't you 2016-12-24-17-56-18--1678945161.png
     
    Kikicaca, Jun 20, 2018
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  6. dachsie

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    So Trump signs the EO to keep families together and now the Dems say, they should be released. They don't want to fix immigration. Even Schumer said they wont vote for immigration bill. I freaking hate the Democrats!
     
    dachsie, Jun 21, 2018
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  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    The bad thing about this (politically) moving forward is that Trump fell for the 'gotcha!' play. Congress passed the law to separate illegal alien families long before Trump or even Obama became president. Trump enacted the policy not to separate families, but to enforce existing law. Basic high school Civics explanation of the separation of powers: legislative branch creates law, executive branch enforces law. Trump should have stuck to his guns in saying Congress had to reverse the law. Instead, he bowed to the pressure to do it himself. Now the haters have a choice; either go after him for flip-flopping, or use this as proof that (as some of them say) he thinks of himself as above the law. The one thing he, or any of us, should have believed, is that they would cheer him for this. I certainly knew it would happen.
     
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  8. Winston1

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    You know many of us feel the same about the democrats and their leftist socialist allies. However that doesn’t mean the only alternative is Trump and the likes of Steven Miller, Scott Pruitt, Steve Bannon and the far right wing who follow and encourage him.
    Neither is holding to the classical liberal ideas that our country was founded on and followed until the last two presidents. Both Obama and Trump have bent the traditional use of presidential power in ways not intended. Many of Trump’s acts were only possible because Obama set an extra constitutional precedent.
    Rather than stand on party many of us stand on principle that seems to have been forgotten or rejected by both sides in a rush to achieve narrow partisan victory.
     
    Winston1, Jun 21, 2018
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  9. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    @mctiger while you’re right Congress passed the laws that apply and are the only ones that can fix it, the executive has always had latitude on how to apply. Obama caught and detained over 20,000 while in office. He also had many children separated from their parents. It’s criminal that the MSM said nothing....but we know why. However there was also a qualitative difference in how they were handled. Usually first time offenders were deported quickly and the children kept close and reunited.
    Trump had the same laws in place for over a year yet just changed how it was implemented to the results we see today. So in fact his excuse is valueless because it was how he enforced the law before during and now after this episode.
    It was a cruel use of innocent children in an apparently failed effort for political gain not something he was forced into.
     
    Winston1, Jun 21, 2018
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  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    I think it was a smart move. If the courts strike it down, Trump can say see, I told you fuckers so and the blame is back on congress.

    From an optics perspective, the people on the left already hated him. This wont change for them. He is now in control of the message.
     
    LSUpride123, Jun 21, 2018
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