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I just hate all of this "Unite America" crap...

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Andouille said: ↑

Obviously I wouldn't compare Obama to Hitler but there is a similarity.
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Podnah, you're about 6 million dead Jews short of a point.

red55, Nov 6, 2008

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Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

5. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion.

6. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

7. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

8. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

9. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism.

10. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability.
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Sounds more like a recent administration than an upcoming one.

red55, Nov 6, 2008

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Andouille said: ↑

I prefaced my points CLEARLY for you emotionally fragile folks that I don't equate the motives or political goals of Obama with Hitler. There is no ulterior meaning. If you choose to believe so that is your problem.
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Characterizing someone that disagrees with you in a clear, lucid manner as "emotionally fragile" is weak. Just not as weak as your argument.

TheDude, Nov 6, 2008

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red55 said: ↑

Podnah, you're about 6 million dead Jews short of a point.
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Thanks again for making my point. You aren't mature or honest enough to discuss the points I've raised so you just invoke a prejudicial aspect to divert attention.

Andouille, Nov 6, 2008

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Andouille said: ↑

Thanks again for making my point. You aren't mature or honest enough to discuss the points I've raised
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That's right, not mature and honest like you. :lol:

I already listed 10 characteristics of fascism. They don't sound like Obama to me.

red55, Nov 6, 2008

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red55 said: ↑

That's right, not mature and honest like you. :lol:

I already listed 10 characteristics of fascism. They don't sound like Obama to me.
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Actually some of them do but thats another issue.

I didn't compare Obama to fascism. I compared CERTAIN aspects of his meteoric rise and political campaign as well as his constituents' behavior to Hitler's and Germany's. It wasn't a comparison to fascism or Hitler's evil.

Andouille, Nov 6, 2008

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JohnLSU said: ↑

If Obama is promising to "unite the country" when he becomes President, I take that to mean he is promising to be a moderate in his role as president. Can't blame him for that, if I were president, I'd try to be a moderate as well, one that ties to unite, one that tries to find the middle ground, etc. Is this possible? If so, is Obama capable of discerning what is moderate? Also, we have to consider: is Obama just lying, feeding us crap, giving us empty promises? I don't know. We'll see. But right now I believe that Obama wants to be a President that tries to find the middle ground, a President that, like he said, tries his best to be a "President for All Americans." We'll see.
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Obama wasn't a centrist in the Illinois legislature and he wasn't a centrist in the Senate. It is highly unlikely he will govern as a centrist in the White House, but we will see.

Bengal Buddy, Nov 6, 2008

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Bengal Buddy said: ↑

Obama wasn't a centrist in the Illinois legislature and he wasn't a centrist in the Senate. It is highly unlikely he will govern as a centrist in the White House, but we will see.
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He represented a Chicago South Side liberal district then. He has a much broader constituency to represent now if he hopes to be re-elected in 2012.

red55, Nov 6, 2008

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saltyone said: ↑

America can not be united. Some on the right may move a little to the center...some on the left (after they age a few years and learn to understand the world) may move to the center...but the right will always hate the left and vice versa.

Obama won...whatever...but don't stand on a stage and say how we proved how united we all are. He represents democrats and liberals...not me. His win only proves that there are more people who disagree with me than there are that agree. How is that unified?

I never claimed, after Bush won, that we were all united now. If anything, the '04 election just showed how divided we all are.

There will always be a right and a left. The left seems to be growing at an alarming rate while the ideals of the those of us on the right seem to be dying out.

End partisanship....? It's all about partisanship.
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If by united you mean we all think and talk and act the same way, I agree with you. We will never be a united nation, and thank goodness for that. But that is not a very good definition of unity. Considering the pluristic nature of our society, I am not sure what a good definition would be. Perhaps consensus is a better definition in the sense of working together in a harmonious manner to solve problems despite our differences.

Bengal Buddy, Nov 6, 2008

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red55 said: ↑

He represented a Chicago South Side liberal district then. He has a much broader constituency to represent now if he hopes to be re-elected in 2012.
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If Obama is looking for the center he's off to a bad start. He couldn't have picked a more divisive and combative COS.

Here comes Obama, the moderate, centrist Democrat. :rofl: :lol:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/06/emanuel-accepts-offer-obamas-chief-staff/

Emanuel Accepts Offer to Be Obama's Chief of Staff Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel has accepted Barack Obama's offer to be his White House chief of staff, sources say.

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Thursday, November 06, 2008

Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a former aide in the Clinton White House, has accepted Barack Obama's offer to be his chief of staff, Democratic officials say.
Emanuel serves in the House Democratic leadership and will have to resign his seat and put aside hopes of becoming House speaker. But he accepted Obama's offer to run his White House staff Thursday after struggling over family and political considerations.

"He is the perfect choice. He knows the Hill, he knows substance, he knows politics, and most importantly, he can get the job done," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement Thursday.
Emanuel is a fiery Democrat who served as a political and policy aide in the Clinton White House. His selection is a shift in tone for Obama, who chose more low-key leadership for his presidential campaign.
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Andouille, Nov 6, 2008

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