I just hate all of this "Unite America" crap...

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  1. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    How exactly does/did Fox News do that? And what liberals who share in this divisiveness are you talking about?
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The failure of the Bush administration was its partisan focus and the divisive rhetoric that you extol. The Neo-cons felt that a simple majority was all that was needed to ignore the other party and do what they pleased. It didn't work and everybody could see it. When Iraq and the economy and Katrina response all went south the Republicans were out there all alone with no Democratic support at all and it was their own doing.

    The Democrats would be foolish to try to do the same thing and just run roughshod over republican sensibilities. It won't work. A democracy is based on cooperation and compromise. That needs to happen and he party that makes it happen will be successful. I don't know if the Democrats are up to it, but I'm certain that the republicans have failed.

    I'm astonished that you would say something like "I just hate all of this "Unite America" crap. Can you hear yourself? You want to divide America? That only benefits our enemies. Why paint half of America as your enemy when we're all on the same side in the real fight--new Russian imperialism, Islamist terrorism, and Chinese hegemony.

    This HATE between left and right is crazy! First of all we're all Americans and should be pulling together against our enemies instead of infighting. Secondly, we don't live in a black and white world, there are many shades of gray. The radical right and the radical left will probably always hate each other and refuse to recognize that most of us are in the middle somewhere and want to move ahead instead of left and right.

    Fortunately the excesses of the extreme right and the extreme left have them both discredited by the more moderate and pragmatic conservatives and liberals who are both leaning to the center where an awful lot of independent moderates already stand.

    With any luck the ideologues of the far right and left will continue to marginalize themselves and allow pragmatic, moderate, progressive voices to be heard.
     
  3. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    A page out of Red's playbook, eh?

    Hannity, for example, spreads extremely divisive rhetoric. Which liberals are divisive? I'm less certain about that. Anybody who shills for the Democratic party? Somehow, I don't think it would be hard to convince most here that some liberals are divisive.
     
  4. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Your only example for tarring an entire network is an editorial commentator that represents 30 mins of talk time in a 24 hour cycle?

    Do you think that FOX was in the tank for McCain as well? How about other media coverage of Obama/McCain? Even? Slanted?
     
  5. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Well, to be honest, I wasn't giving an exhaustive list - it seems like a waste of time to populate a list of examples of FOX pushing McCain or CNN touting Obama.

    FOX was in the tank for McCain. I watch FOX quite a lot and for days before the election the main topic of discussion was techniques McCain could use to win the election and scenarios that would lead to a McCain victory. No like strategizing for Obama. On the other hand, CNN was mostly in the tank for Obama.
     
  6. Andouille

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    Every network aside from FOX was in the tank for Obama. Most major papers were in the tank for Obama. These networks did nothing with regards to investigating Obama's past, influences, policies, etc.

    There have been editorials from life long Democrats lamenting the disgusting cheerleading the major media outlets did for Obama.

    There are studies PROVING the unfair treatment McCain received and the pass Obama got.

    Do a little searching. It takes 10 seconds.

    It's all well ad good. The NY Times, LA Times, et al are dinosaurs on their way out. They will be relegated to niche players catering to their small Liberal audience if they make it at all. Every year growing weaker and weaker.

    Good riddance to the propaganda machines that have had a stranglehold on the information Americans have relied upon to get their news.
     
  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Olbermann? Paul Bagala? Bill Maher and 29 out of 30 guests he has on his show? Al and Jessie? Al Franken (please tell me he didn't win)? Whoopi, and Rosie before she lost the gig? The list goes on and on and....
     
  8. Chip82

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    I'm afraid that if you look at the voting block that put Obama in the lead, you will find a bunch of women who were livid about 4,500 casualties in Iraq. The same women who drive around with cell phones strapped to their ears and have caused over 87,000 traffic deaths since 2003 simply due to negligence while driving with a cell phone.

    Pre-WWII Germany was the same. Women voted for Hitler in much higher numbers than did the men. Those women wanted security, in the form of gun control, and socialism in the labor force.

    If you looked at the crowd last night cheering for Obama, the only difference between speeches that aroused Nazi Germany and the speech in Chicago was the racial makeup of the audience. People falling all over themselves without a clue as to how destructive the policies of their leader might turn out to be.

    Sig Heil...Yes We Can...Sig Heil...Yes We Can...Sig Heil...Yes We Can...
     
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  9. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    That's funny. I heard just the opposite when McCain was leading before the economic downturn. Their jobs are to keep you watching. Similar to commentators at a football game that is virtually over in the 3rd quarter.

    As far as them being in the tank for McCain, that is laughable and easy to prove with hard data, from unbiased groups. However, reading your posts shows me you will disregard it anyway, so why bother posting it? FOX actually did more positive stories about Obama than McCain. The rest of the media, be it newspaper, magazine, tv, or radio was embarrassingly harsh on McCain/Palin and conversely easy on Obama/Biden. Your assumptions, based on watching Hannity are not even close to reality.

    And how can anybody listen to Hannity for longer than 2 minutes anyway?? No wonder you think that.
     
  10. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    I will be the first to say that many people voted for Obama without either knowing his policies or really thinking about some of them. They just rejected repubs and were generally angry about the economy. But comparing him or the white people that voted for him to nazis is too much, and way out of bounds. Simply because he is a charismatic leader is not enough. You could say the same thing about Huey Long.

    Obama got elected by making big promises to the left, the middle, and the right. Many that he probably won't be able to keep, not unlike many politicians. But Hitler pushed Germany in one direction of revenge based on the settlement of WWI.

    Comparing the two is silly.
     

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