I call your boycott and raise you your lights

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by SabanFan, May 19, 2010.

  1. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    If they do anything is open for debate. If they can do anything is not. Utilities are regulated by the very guy who sent the letter and his board. That's how it works. Contracts notwithstanding, and contracts can always be renegotiated. It's not like power can't be diverted and sold elsewhere.

    You somehow have the impression that the AZ gov or legislature is not going to support this move? Bitching about your neighbors morality is hot air and headlines. But money talks.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    i would boycott them and then take my business elsewhere. i don't think they should boycott them, but just by that guy sticking his chest out would make me want to.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    So LA is the victim here?
     
  4. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    I would love to see them tell the Governor of Arizona to go **** himself.

    This entire argument is stupid. Exactly how is this to be enforced? Better yet, exactly how is a boycott even to be proven? Is the State of Arizona going to pull from a database and study economic trends each week?
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Fking liberals are getting all wadded up because Arizona has the stones to fight back?. Pussies.
     
  6. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Why does AZ have to prove anything? They can do business with LA or not. Just as LA can choose who they do business with. There is no burden of proof for anything.
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Actually all the dams and reservoirs on the Colorado are owned by the Bureau of Reclamation . . , the US government. Arizona and Nevada can't do squat.
     
  8. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Talked to a friend in Scottsdale today and he said that some of the power plants are jointly owned with cali, so that would certainly be a fly in the ointment. That and the commission chairwoman is a Napolitano appointee. I would not be surprised to hear that the commissioner who sent the letter is either up for re-election of running for a higher office soon.
     
  9. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    The BOR owns and operates, but Az and Nv are paid from its profits because it sits on their land. Also, Az and Nv are the principle contractors for the energy. It most definately could be a problem for SoCal. Maybe not much, but it could be a little leverage.


    Bureau of Reclamation: Lower Colorado Region - Hoover Dam Power FAQs


    Who are the principal contractors for energy?
    The States of Arizona and Nevada; City of Los Angeles; Southern California Edison Co.; Metropolitan Water District of Southern California; California cities of Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena, Riverside, Azusa, Anaheim, Banning, Colton, and Vernon; and the city of Boulder City, Nevada.
    How is the firm energy generated at Hoover Dam allocated?
    Arizona - 18.9527 percent
    Nevada - 23.3706 percent
    Metropolitan Water District of Southern California - 28.5393 percent
    Burbank, CA - 0.5876 percent
    Glendale, CA - 1.5874 percent
    Pasadena, CA - 1.3629 percent
    Los Angeles, CA - 15.4229 percent
    Southern California Edison Co. - 5.5377 percent
    Azusa, CA - 0.1104 percent
    Anaheim, CA - 1.1487 percent
    Banning, CA - 0.0442 percent
    Colton, CA - 0.0884 percent
    Riverside, CA - 0.8615 percent
    Vernon, CA - 0.6185 percent
    Boulder City, NV - 1.7672 percent
    How is the income from the sale of power used?
    To pay all operation, maintenance and replacement costs (including interest expense and repayment of investments) to meet the requirements of the project. The cost of construction completed and in service by 1937 was repaid from power revenues by May 31, 1987, except for costs relating to flood control. Repayment of the $25 million construction costs allocated to flood control will be repaid by 2037. Any features added after May 31, 1987 will be repaid within 50 years of the date of installation or as established by Congress. In addition, Arizona and Nevada each receive $300,000 annually in lieu of taxes.

     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    According to your list, California gets 58% of the power from the US government dam. Nevada and Arizona don't allocate the contracts, the BOR does.
     

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