How interesting...Blanco dodging disclosure and slinging mud...

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  1. TigerEducated

    TigerEducated Founding Member

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    JD...You're starting to come off like CB66 here...The Republican party does NOT view women as merely good for breeding, and you know it.

    There are aspects of the party that do not like abortion-even in the case of incest, rape, or threat of death to the mother-you are correct. It's quite a gray area, but I think you can agree you're not about to change anyone's mind here.

    What you're also not going to do is convince us that Jindal is bought and sold by the "Taliban wing" of the Republican Party anymore than Pelosi is bought and sold by the "Communist" wing of the Democratic Party...

    Hannity pointed out a few months back this woman's name, and her organizations, have been linked to Communist and Socialist websites and groups for many years.

    But, again, your CONSTANT twisting of these arguments into a left/right national level political debate are truly saddening...

    In reality, do you think for one second that Jindal would get the groundswell in this state to lean on the Legislature to pass an abortion bill of that nature? Do you think it could survive in the Legislature? It has a "sperm's chance in a fallopian tube" of making it through to the Governor.

    Even if he signed it, it would be IMMEDIATELY challenged all the awy up to the Supreme Court, which would probably take years and millions of dollars, rendering the subject moot, and costing taxpayers too much money for Jindal's liking.

    You may not like his stance on this issue, and if given the opportunity, he may do something you don't care for with respect to this issue, but in order for him to get that opportunity, 8,768 things must go right sequentially in order. Right now, we're on about step 8...Cool your jets. It's a pipe dream, and a straw man argument to base your vote on that kind of issue.

    As far as supporting Blanco because she favors those three clauses, I'm guessing you're compromising your core beliefs by saying that you can support her because she says that there are three caveats to her abortion views.

    Are you pro-life outside of those three situations? Or are you pro-choice in all situations?

    If you are pro-choice, and she is not, then how can you honestly say you support her on that issue, or take odds with her in comparison to Jindal? Is this now a "lesser of two evils" vote for you based on this argument?

    If so, you have now left CB66 with NO defensible position to debate his mindless Duke ramblings...Because if you can vote for a pro-life (with three exceptions) candidate over a pro-life (at all costs) candidate because she supports abortion, then your argument is basically what many Duke voters were in 1991. The lesser of two evils...

    BTW-CB66, check yourself before you respond to me, son. I'm addressing JD, and I don't care to see a single word of response from you regarding Duke, or Edwards, or Nazism, or anything else of that nature...
     
  2. CottonBowl'66

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    Louisiana has a lousy healthcare system but Jindal claims he worked miracles there. I don't see it. He accomplished nothing.

    On education, all the fiscal problems were solved after he left office.

    Jindal is a bureaucrat who made good grades in college, and who is qualified for nothing.

    He is 32 years old, everyone will just laugh at him if he becomes governor, and frankly he has nothing in his positions that even remotely addresses Louisiana's problems.

    We have had 8 years of a Republican as Governor and it has been wasted time. Jindal is just more of Mike Foster. Which is real bad news for Louisiana.
     
  3. Mr. Wonderful

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    Does that line get you laid?


    I'm pro-abortion and don't have to wiggle around about rape (does this mean an allegation of rape? a charge of rape? a conviction for rape?...I see some issues here?), incest (what two consenting adults do behind closed doors in a moment of passion?) or life of the mother before I pronounce my support.
    But, I also don't have to drop that emasculating crap about how much I understand and sympathize with the plight of womankind to get my junk taken care of.
     
  4. JD

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    Actually, I started the duke stuff and it is in no way inane - not one prominent La republican repudiated him - NONE. The La republican party made its position clear - they will choose EVIL if it helps win an election. You can whitewash it all you want, but THAT is a FACT. Now the national republican party did repudiate him. Did Foster? No, he paid them 150K. Did Baker, McReary or Livingston? Not no, but hell no they didn't. A disgraceful exhibition.

    As for abortion, I know he can't get his position into law. It simply shows he is a right wing idealogue to even advance the notion that it is GOVERNMENT'S decision to choose the life of a fetus over the life of an otherwise healthy grown woman. That is precisely his position.

    As for Pelosi and commies, good lord, do you seriously suggest that the far right idiots like Hannity haven't spent their lives linking democrats to commies? Under what rock do you live? The problem is that a member of the communist party has not run for a statewide election under the democrat label and, if they did, they damn sure would be pounded, in contrast to what the local republican party did when the Klu Klux Klan candidate ran. Memories are long - believe it. Anyway, Hannity was the poster boy for adultery is bad if a democrat does it, exemplary behavior if a republican does it, so he has zero credibility as an objective observer.

    If the republican party wants to seriously offer me a candidate with new ideas, wonderful bring it on - I'll vote for him or her. But Jindal isn't that man, no matter how you dress him up. His strings are pulled by the far right extremists and it's patently obvious that that is the case once you go beyond his words and actually READ his website, like I have.

    Just like George Bush - he chose to kick off his campaign in this nation's last bastion of racial segregation - that told me all about him that I needed to know, which forced me to vote for an idiot like Gore.
     
  5. TigerEducated

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    How did this go from a Jindal/Blanco Louisiana Politics discussion to a national level left/right rhetorical debate?

    Oh yeah, the second you responded...Is that hard wired in you?

    This is the least party oriented race in the state's history...When are you going to let that stuff go and stop trying to link these candidates to parties that are ill fits for them both...

    Discuss the CANDIDATES...
     
  6. JD

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    For the fifth, is it, time, WHAT ARE HIS GREAT IDEAS???

    I keep asking - that is not a democrat or republican question. WHAT ARE THEY?

    Oh, and it is a republican democratic race precisely because HE HAS NO IDEAS - he just keep saying he does to hide what he's really all about. That's my opinion based upon my search for ideas and finding none.
     
  7. TigerEducated

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    Good God...I think you just like seeing me type...

    I'm going to discuss just education...because it's fresh in my mind, and you are a bit more in tune with those issues than the normal poster/lurker here...Secondary education at that.

    First and foremost, he envisions pumping LSU up to heights never before seen. He wants to work with Emmert to increase LSU's funding, increase the amount of tenured professors, endowed chairs, increasing research and in turn, grant money pumped into the University. He wants to increase admissions standards into the Ole War Skule, to make the degree worth a tad more.

    Secondly, as he does this, he wants to de-emphasize the importance of getting mainstream degrees from schools like ULM, LaTech, UL-L, etc...

    I did not say he wants to totally do away with their ability to award four year degrees in subjects like History or Political Science or General Studies. I meant de-emphasize that as their main thrust. What he would rather do is pour money into those four year universities to help them redirect their focus to create more job ready graduates.

    In other words, promote an oil-processing engineering degree at a place like UL-L. Create a program and wed it with a local refinery or oil processing plant. You start an internship program, teaching the real world skills that you'll have to know to work in the field, but you also get more specialized teaching by engineers who come into work specifically with students in the program. He envisions each "directional" University with having a highly desireable-and different-type of specialized skill program that creates job ready graduates that are linked with Louisiana companies that employ traditional Louisiana workers.

    He wants any degreed member of Louisiana's work force who is deemed unqualified to perform their position by their employer to be re-trained for free by Louisiana's education system.

    He has mentioned the oil-processing associates degree program that exists at BRCC as a prime example of the programs he wants to set up. They have one wedded with local refineries in EBR, WBR and Ascension, and Iberville. They hire those graduates straight out into "operator" positions, which are highly lucrative positions and positions that right now, most of which are taken by out of state employees who sock their money away and keep it from hitting the surrounding community.

    This is just ONE example of the things he envisions. He's also for getting rid of the Rural and Urban Development Funds...but your gal has backed off from that same position. Now she's for a "fair and equitable" assessment of those programs.

    Jindal wants to use the money to help lure matching federal grant money. This would create a huge need for grant-writers, which would create jobs, federal money, and other jobs associated with teh disbursement of the funds themselves.

    Suzy wants to create another system of control in which there are members of the Legislature in charge of who gets what in those slush funds. Like we need THEM in control of any more money...

    Please, tell me this isn't issue oriented or detailed enough plan for you to admit that this guy is focused on the issues and is ready to go on about them?

    I'll bring up health care if I must, but I think you and I both know he ANNIHALATES her on her health care record (does she have one?), her thoughts on it, her visions, and her cronies visions...

    Is this enough for you? I have brought this subject up before, and you refuse to admit that I have...but now that I've done it THIS time, will you recognize it?
     
  8. ikoikoiko

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    JD has already decided he is voting for Blanco....

    ...DO not waste your time.
     
  9. JD

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    IKO - you're really one to talk - with your comment on the crowley mafia when YOUR BOY took FIVE GRAND - CASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kills 2 birds with one stone - he also gets some PPO Dollars (the MIDDLEMAN - the one who produces NOTHING - in health care).

    Where is he going to get the $$ to take LSU to new heights

    USL and Tech and UNO are NOT the problem. S Eastern, Nichols, McNeese etc ARE. so are grambling and southern (they should be merged with tech/lsu). Suggesting that there should be one real state school in LA is ridiculous. Turning USL into a trade school is ridiculous. Okay, it's an idea - it's also a bad one. We don't need 12 schools - but 1 real good one and 3 solid ones makes sense for our population.

    They also need to work with community colleges- send the kids (moderate to poor students) to us for 2 years and then send them on, instead of us having to go through every bloody transfer and get approval. We provide good education - and we do it cheaply because all we do is teach - we don't research - and our overhead is virtually nill. And LSU is the school we have the LEAST problem with - I can't tell you the number of courses that LSU accepts but which s eastern gives us grief about (protectionism, is what it is - fear of losing their students). The fact, I do a hell of a lot better with the 15 accounting students in my class than S Eastern can do in an auditorium with 150.

    Where does them money for free retraining come from?

    Health care? He's taking large amounts of CASH from PPOS - they are an ingredient but ONE ingredient. I see where he's coming from. The only salvation is that he is taking $$ from a few doctors - and I know a couple of his contributors - the doctors are the heroes, the PPOs are the titty-suckers (we need them, but they are not indespensible - providers are).

    You say Blanco is controlled by the special interests ? Perhaps

    But when I look on Jindal's website and under FAITH AND VALUES he talks about gun ownership, I see all too well who's pulling his strings. It's a perfectly legitimate position to take - but as a VALUES position?

    TE, you have complained that I won't discuss issues.

    But let's remember - who has peppered nearly every discussion with accusations (accompanied by ZERO evidence) of vote buying? Who has suddenly reversed his position when the groups you DID suspect now support Jindal? It's not me who's not discussing issues.
     
  10. ikoikoiko

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    Southeastern is NOT the problem....

    Their education program is the finest in the state and respected nationwide. Southeastern does have some programs that are not needed.
    The problem is having too much replication.

    Also, BLanco has gotten a LOT MORE MONEY from the Crowley Mafia than Jindal. I am sure Ray and Greg Reggie will float Blanco a check by the end of the election.
     

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