What does the amount of money mean to a moral concept? If both chose to hook and were not forced by anybody, then they are willing, whatever their motivations are. Then they are victims of the addictive drug, another personal choice, not really a victim of prostitution, which is not addictive. Not all prostitutes are drug addicts and they existed for millenia before drugs appeared. Prosititution is a job that some drug addicts have chosen. Others steal or beg, but many addicts work in the next cubicle to yours at the office. No, prostitution is a choice except in a sex-slave situation which nobody defends. That would not surprise me, but many other jobs have negative consequences over time. She really can't victimize herself if she hasn't been forced by somebody. She has just made poor choices, perhaps. And I shouldn't say she, there are plenty of gay prostitutes.
Your friend gave a false delimma. Those are not the only two scenerios available. Prostitution is immoral even if it is not a crime. The victim in this "victimless" crime is the prostitute herself. She could have made something decent of her life. She is often taken advantage of by her pimp, runs the risk of contacting any number of diseases, and often becomes drug addicted. IN fact, her drug addiction is what leads a lot of women into prostitution. Prostitution is a degrading business.
so is being a garbage man considered by most. morals are relative. most would rather be a rich immoral person than a broke dick demoralized one. I probably fall somewhere in the middle. Im a moderate. the polls agree with me. let the individual decide on their own.
this is a masterpiece of a post. "tough gig" hahaha. the same thing happened to me, except replace the chinaladies with french canadians. drunk friends, too-lit rooms that you look more well-suited to a tooth extraction than a rub and tug, that can lead to awkward but amusing situations. three factors: 1. drunkenness 2. a pocketfull of money 3. a bachelor party where paid ladies are present only two of these factors can be in play at any given time, or the ladies are gonna get paid.
Many people view being a garbage man as degrading work much like you view prostitution. Not me, I believe in free enterprise and actually respect anyone making a living outside of your average pedophile entrepreneurs. A prostitute could have made a decent life for herself? Maybe she had an engineering degree yet found she makes 10x selling her stuff. Who are you to judge what is decent unless you plan on paying her bills. Immoral? thats your problem not hers or her customers. edit: Garbage man tip. Whenever I have too many branches or crap Im not supposed to leave out due to the guidelines of trash law, I sometimes tape a few beers on the outside of the BFI can. This is an unwritten rule that will allow you to be able to dispose of anything from nuclear reactors to half-dead pets. The brothers know the routine and its encouraged. of course, this may be why your can is often in the ditch after they empty it or you see an occasional dude get run over after falling off the truck. also, its best to leave a malt liquor of some sort. dont be tapin no mich ultra light or your **** likely wont get picked up. they will take your beer though even though they dont like it. But your car battery will still be sitting there in your driveway.
I agree with you that paying for sex is immoral. I think it should be legal, because there is no way to stop it, it should be treated like in Amsterdam, there should be specific places where it is legal, go there if you want it. I think it is immoral because of the harmful psychological impact on the women. Most suffer from low self esteem, didn't have family support, didn't get a good education, and don't feel like they have any viable alternatives. I think they feel used like a piece of meat and are unhappy about it. Some appear to enjoy the sex, but turn out to be sex addicts in reality, also linked to low self esteem. Some currently active will protest, 'no, my self esteem is great, this is my choice', but their drug addiction or depression and loneliness tells a different story. There is a broad spectrum of experiences, and some high dollar low volume girls may come out of it ok. Many run of the mill girls have been married and have families, some together still, some not. But I see these organizations to support women seeking to escape prostitution, and I listen to the stories of women that were trapped in it, and how depressed they were, and how happy they are to be out of it, in rehab and getting off drugs, learning legit job skills, building up their self esteem, and they seem to be able to put their fingers on exactly what is wrong with being a prostitute. Generally its low self esteem from bad family situations, and control from the pimps. I remember the lady who was Linda Lovelace in the 1970's, did Deep Throat, and at the time she stated how great her lifestyle was. 20 years later she spoke of how empty she felt at the time and later, how she felt used and abused years afterward, and how she had to struggle to become whole again. I believe she got involved with a church and she was against pornography as an exploitation of women. It's not what they say at the time, its what they say after they've had time to reflect on what happened. Nobody (almost) can do something wrong, and at the same time have the guts to say, "what I'm doing is wrong, and I'm going to do it anyway". Maybe a better way to say it is, 'what I'm doing is not the best thing that can be done, but I can't find a way to do and sustain something better'. But I give great credence to the masses of women who come out of the profession and what they had to say about it. On the flip side, I read an article about a lady still hooking in her 50's. She said she found out lately she was ADHD, she had never been able to concentrate on things or hold a regular job. She enjoyed sex and all she was ever good at was hooking, and she felt it had been good for her. She stated if she had been diagnosed and treated as a young person, she may not have become a hooker and wished she'd had that opportunity, but when she was a kid it was not known about. Given all that, I think it should be legal. I think the women would be treated better if it was legitimate and regulated. Can you engage in it and survive, sure. Without any ill effects? Probably not for the women, probably not for the men either, but they are probably not as obvious, and even easier to avoid or escape. For a young soldier in combat, bored on his time off with nothing better to do with his time, who may get shot next week, and wants to get laid a few times before he dies (possibly), I could understand that gig. It may not be he's treating the girl so good, but his need seems more important at the time. I've tried to be sorta thorough and cover a lot of different things I've seen and read over the years, and hopefully be balanced. I won't condemn everyone who engages in it, but I think there definitely are downsides. Can any male on this board say he wishes his daughter would enter a life of prostitution, even if she was pretty and made a fortune? If so, please explain why. And if you can't, that's probably why its not moral.
Morality didn't really enter into it in terms of my examples. And it's not just the dollar value that separates the two women. While I'm sure that some Vegas call girls experience some of the downside to their job, it's nowhere near as dangerous, exploitative, nasty (there's a moral judgement), or financially unrewarding as a streetwalker. The point was whether prostitutes are williing businesswomen. Some are, some clearly aren't. In terms of choice, it's dependent on the individual. A college student looking to pay her bills and earn some fun money is making a much different choice than a teenage runaway who hit the streets to earn money for food. Teenage girls leave their homes often due to sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. They go to big cities, get preyed upon by pimps, and become the Pinto girls I referred to. Ever hear of the abused spouse syndrome? It's used (sometimes unfairly) as a legal defense these days by women who have murdered their spouse because they saw no other way to get out of their abusive situation. When someone has been beaten, controlled, or abused repeatedly over years, their self image is so skewed that choices become difficult and twisted. I agree with you that prostitution isn't going away. I'd feel better about it if it was a regulated industry with health care options, medical support, clean and comfortable accommodations, fair pay, and minimum age requirements.
Some thoughts along the lines of this thread. 1) Personally I think this stuff is sleazy and therefore wrong. 2) Another reason to blame big oil for something. 3) I thought this thread was about the woman in DC making her clients known which reminds me, I can't wait til those names are posted everywhere. 4) I hate politicians and politics, its all as sleazy as prostitution. I'm starting to think politicians are another form of prostitutes. BTW, Leave the internet alone, make drugs and prostitution legal. Imagine the revenue the government would receive from new taxes! I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that however!
