Historical evidence of Pontius Pilate and Jesus...

when other people believe something stupid, and you are honest about your opinion of it, are you accused of being emotional?

i guess you want to discourage honesty?

do you think astrology is stupid? feng shui? that psychic dude on tv? or are you too classy to admit any of that is stupid?

 

Yes, but when you use words like "mindless idiots" "cowards" "retards" you are "flying off the handle". You go from a rational opinion to emotional outburst, and I can only ask why.
I'll go further with my theory of your doubt. I think deep down inside, in your subconsious nevernever land, you believe in god, or want to belive in god. You should try to discover some of that and bring it to surface.

 

of course i want to believe in god. i wish all sorts of magical fantasies were true.

i call it the way i see it. christianity is stupid. sorry if it bugs you when i am honest. to believe in it is to be mindless and to believe in because you fear death is cowardly. thats my opinion. you admit feel the same way about other forms of magic, but you dont say it. its not "emotional" to honestly appraise something. it sounds harsh, but what can i do, it is just that stupid.

i enjoy speaking my mind more than you i guess.

 

yeah, so what:yelwink2:

 

exactly. brutal honesty sounds emotional because it is brutal, but that doesnt mean it is.

i think we have far too much of a protective minset when it comes to religion. people act like it is sacred. we cant admit anything. priests? idiots. the pope, a complete and utter moron. religious ideas, all wizardry and nonsense. every person who spouts off religion and wants people to listen is a fool. the pope, osama bin laden, billy graham, whoever. they encourage us to be backward savages, letting our lives be ruled by mysticism instead of reason.

and still, when we could be raising kids to be rational, instead we are accepting of a movement like creationism, which teaches kids to accept magic in favor of science. these kids could grow up to do great things in science, but instead we are debating whether not to accept intelligent design in schools. intelligent design is nonsense, driven by idiots and their religious agenda. i wish a politician could say that. intelligent design is anti-science brainwashing, and it is terrible for our children. but we give it a free pass, because "you cant criticize people's beliefs".

"Thus such a thing as a truly enlightened Christian is hard to imagine.
Either he is enlightened or he is Christian, and the louder he protests
that he is for former the more apparent it becomes that he is really
the latter. A Catholic priest who devotes himself to seismology or some
other such safe science may become a competent technician and hence
a useful man, but it is ridiculous to call him a scientist so long as he
still believes in the virgin birth, the atonement or transubstantiation.
It is, to be sure, possible to imagine any of these dogmas being true,
but only at the cost of heaving all science overboard as rubbish. The
priest's reasons for believing in them is not only not scientific; it is
violently anti-scientific. Here he is exactly on all fours with a
believer in fortune-telling, Christian Science or chiropractic." - mencken

 

116 C.E. is not 100 to 300 years after the fact. It's only 80 years, and could have been written based not on texts but on word of mouth across only two generations.

Yes, it matters. If there were no Jesus, and if there is no God, why do you need to follow any of the messages? Why should you live by what is in a stupid book? (if of course, that is all it is, which I personally believe it isn't).

 

Just because you or H.L. Mencken said something doesn't make it right.

 

yeah, that ole Ayn Rand's everywhere, huh?

I might start a new thread on String Theory, 21 dimensions, where the UFT lies. Wow, that would mean we will never be able to visualize the reality of the universe, forever incomprehensible, aside from obsure mathematical equations. Now you have to admit, 21 dimension would seem like wizardry, dosen't make sense kind of neverneverland bull****. What else could be lurking in those 21 dimensions. Could it be the all powerful, all knowing, big cheese himself? Space Time Matter energy (gravity, mag) are all interchangeable, across 21dems. Maybe all is nothing than a...nah, not for here.

 

true, that mencken and i are right is demonstrated not by the fact that we have said something, but the content of what we are saying. lets hear what else my man has to say:

"One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern
society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be
respected. ...[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with
their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of
common sense and common decency. that they should have this immunity
is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift
them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and
often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in
theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not
many of them are even honest.

The religious man, starting out with an outfit of irrational
postulates and untenable hopes, tries to fit them into the facts of a
harshly material world. In the process he must do violence to both.
They can never march together; indeed they are intrinsically
irreconcilable. A common way out of the dilemma is the resort to
mysticism, which is simply an attempt to construct a non-Euclidean
world in which anything that can be imagined is assumed to have
happened.

Christianity, for all its wounds, is not likely to die; even its
forms will not die; the forms, indeed will preserve what remains of the
substance. Of all religions ever devised by man, it is the one that
offers the most for the least money to the average man of our time.
This man may be very briefly described. He had enough education to
make him view all religions somewhat critically, to make him competent
to weight and estimate them, particularly in terms of their capacity to
meet his own problems--but not enough to analyze the concepts
underlying them. Such an analysis leads inevitably to agnosticism; a
man who once reaches the point of examining religions as psychological
phenomena, without regard to the ostensible authority, always ends by
rejecting all of them. But the average man is incapable of any such
examination, and his incapacity not only safeguards his religion but
also emphasizes his need of it. He must have _some_ answer to the
maddening riddle of existence, and, being unable to work out a logical
or evidential answer, he is thrown back upon a mystical answer."

mencken says what i would say if i were a much more creative and intelligent person than i am.