Hillary's E-Mail (Breaking News: Smoking Gun Officially Announced)

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Prove it. That is not what has been stated on the record.
     
  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    It has, you just won't admit it
     
  3. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    Tirk did a great job. A bit more, if you guys are interested....

    Classification deals with the damage done to national security should the information be disclosed. Classification runs from Confidential, to Secret, up to Top Secret. There are very formal definitions, but Top Secret is information that if disclosed would have "GRAVE CONSEQUENCES" to national security. I used to know it all, I think the three categories are damage, exceptional damage and grave damage, but not sure.

    Classification, in other words, damage if disclosed, does not depend on the source of the information, just the damage to national security if disclosed. It is purely informational.

    There is a second category, as Tirk addressed, COMPARTMENTATION which is there to protect the source of the information. SCI is specially compartmented information. This information is generally TOP SECRET but not always, again, the source of the intel and the damage if disclosed are separate.

    Key to Tirk's comments is the bit about SCIF. All compartmented intelligence must remain in a SCIF, and few people can just walk into a SCIF, very strictly need to know. So, it is not just the server, it is the facility the server was in. Regardless of any amount of exceptional protection of the server's information, if not in SCIF, bad juju.

    Compartmentation is concerned with the technical means that information was obtained. Since we don't spend huge amounts of money to obtain routine stuff, it is normally highly classified as well.

    NOFORN specifically means, No Foreign Dissemination, a nit on Tirk's definition
    Talent Keyhole is actually pertaining to a very special satellite program, there are other programs with other words. Lots.

    The deal is there are boatloads of people that have access to classified information, but much fewer with access to information about the source, hence Special Compartmented Information.

    Several emails that were classified after the fact is a red herring. Plus it really does not make sense, and it should mean jail time for someone that divulged classified material, initially, in an unclassified manner.

    It is too bad that the hatred of Hillary or the hatred of her opponents has muddled a very straightforward issue regarding the proper protection of classified and compartmented information.
     
  4. HalloweenRun

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    You know, if just dawned on me, and only now because I could not conceive of it, that maybe people were extracting information from classified sources and sending them to the email address as unclassified, to "get around" the classification material dilemma. Purely speculation, but if this is the case, the deal is a million times worse than being stupid and putting classified material on a non secure server. I am pondering this and am kind of stunned.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    The question is, would you put it past Hillary to do that? For a smart woman its very very stupid as well as criminal.
     
  6. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Someone will go to jail over this, I doubt it will be hrc even though there is no doubt that it should be. It's close enough to her that it will eventually be the torpedo to her campaign that America needs. Even better that it comes from her own hubris.
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Remember what I said, maybe @HalloweenRun can clear it up but I didn't think you could send highly classified stuff on an unsecured net. Like if you tried it wouldn't send. This may be how they did it
     
  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I don't know why it wouldn't send like any other email unless there was some kind of special software program that identified the classification and prevented classified emails from transmitting. If there is the software would be on secure government servers but not on a private server unless it was installed by the sysad
     
  9. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I just remember from my time working in the TOC we had sipernet computers and open ones. I'm pretty sure that if we tried to send sip to open whoever tried to open it would get a bunch of garbled up 1's and 0's with those little rectangles mixed in like it didn't decode the message.

    Regardless, there is tomfoolery afoot.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Damn still? Seriously what does that mean?
     
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