Hillary's E-Mail (Breaking News: Smoking Gun Officially Announced)

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    You guys really need to vet your information first when it comes to this. We all know there are "news" people who will make anything up this time a year in the hopes to get her to lose votes. As long as their false info gets out the damage is done. Just like the NFL and their 11 out of 12 balls lie. That fake story was planted.

    And no I'm not saying leftist media doesn't do this too. It's bad I have to say this as a disclaimer these days.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    Most seriously, the Inspector General assessed that Clinton’s emails included information that was highly classified—yet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN,” according to the Inspector General’s report.

    You may have seen acronym lists like these on declassified documents before—and glazed over them. This is the arcane language of the cleared cognoscenti so let me explain what this means:

    TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release “could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.”

    SI refers to Special Intelligence, meaning it is information derived from intercepted communications, which is the business of the National Security Agency, America’s single biggest source of intelligence. They’re the guys who eavesdrop on phone calls, map who’s calling whom, and comb through emails. SI is a subset of what the intelligence community calls Sensitive Compartmented Information or SCI. And these materials always require special handling and protection. They are to be kept in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility or SCIF, which is a special hardened room that is safe from both physical and electronic intrusion.

    TK refers to Talent Keyhole, which is an IC caveat indicating that the classified material was obtained via satellite.

    NOFORN, as the name implies, means that the materials can only be shown to Americans, not to foreigners.

    In short: Information at the “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN” level is considered exceptionally highly classified and must be handled with great care under penalty of serious consequences for mishandling. Every person who is cleared and “read on” for access to such information signs reams of paperwork and receives detailed training about how it is to be handled, no exceptions—and what the consequences will be if the rules are not followed.

    People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result.
    In the real world, people with high-level clearances are severely punished for willfully violating such rules. At a minimum, those suspected of mishandling things like NSA “signals intelligence”—intercepts calls, emails, and the like—have their clearances suspended pending the outcome of the investigation into their misconduct. Any personal items—computers, electronics—where federal investigators suspect the classified wound up, wrongly, will be impounded and searched. If it has TOP SECRET//SI information on it, “your” computer now belongs to the government, since it is considered classified.

    People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result. Yes, people really do go to jail for mishandling classified materials. Matthew Aid, a writer on intelligence matters, served over a year in prison for mishandling TOP SECRET//SI information from NSA, for example. The well connected tend to avoid jail, however. Sandy Berger and John Deutsch—who both served in high-level positions under President Bill Clinton, did not go to prison for mishandling TOP SECRET intelligence (though Berger got probation and was fined $50,000).

    What, then, does all this means for Hillary? There is no doubt that she, or someone on her State Department staff, violated federal law by putting TOP SECRET//SI information on an unclassified system. That it was Hillary’s private, offsite server makes the case even worse from a security viewpoint. Claims that they “didn’t know” such information was highly classified do not hold water and are irrelevant. It strains belief that anybody with clearances didn’t recognize that NSA information, which is loaded with classification markings, was signals intelligence, or SIGINT. It’s possible that the classified information found in Clinton’s email trove wasn’t marked as such. But if that classification notice was omitted, it wasn’t the U.S. intelligence community that took such markings away. Moreover, anybody holding security clearances has already assumed the responsibility for handling it properly.

    As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton had no authority to disseminate IC information on her own, neither could she make it less highly classified (a process termed “downgrading” in the spy trade) without asking IC permission first.

    It is a very big deal and less connected people who do this sort of thing ruin their lives, as any IC counterintelligence official can attest. During my NSA time, I saw junior personnel terminated for relatively minor infractions of security regulations. While the U.S. government unquestionably does over-classify items on the policy side, where almost everything in the Defense and State Departments gets some sort of classification stamp, not usually at a high level, intelligence reporting by its very nature is classified. If you don’t want the responsibility of a high-level government position, which inevitably brings with it TOP SECRET//SI access, then don’t accept that burden.

    There’s still a lot we don’t know about Hillary’s Emailgate. Exactly how many emails contained TOP SECRET//SI information is unclear. We may never know since thousands of emails were already destroyed by Clinton. Who exactly placed the classified information in emails—it may not have been Hillary Clinton—and how did they access the information in the first place? How many of Hillary’s staffers at Foggy Bottom were also using her personal server?

    Underlying all this is the question of why Hillary Clinton decided to employ her own private email and server to handle so much of her official State Department business. This is, to say the least, highly irregular—not to mention a violation of numerous U.S. government rules and regulations—so there had to be a compelling reason to do this. What was it?

    The Clinton campaign was concerned enough about the issue to send out an email blast Wednesday afternoon with the subject line: “A note about Hillary Clinton’s emails.”

    “You might hear some news over the next few days about Hillary Clinton’s emails,” began the email from Jennifer Palmieri, the communications director for Hillary for America.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Did you notice the article also contained the statement I already posted? The State Department says that they were classified after the fact.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Same old baseless claims. The data was not classified at the time. If it should have been classified, it was not Clinton's fault.
     
  6. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Read what Tirk posted. TSSCI is fucking NEVER downgraded or any of that shit. It comes off the press hot and stays hot.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    If it was not classified it means that someone in Clintons camp took the classification off, something that they are NOT authorized to do and is also a felony
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, it means that somebody in the State Department may have misidentified documents and can be held accountable. Most of these people are career employees, not political appointees in "Clinton's camp". In any case, Hillary can only be held accountable for her own actions.

    Read what the article said. It "should have been" classified. TSSCI can be classified as such after the fact and this appears to be the case.
     
  9. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You are the most hard headed mf'r I have ever seen. The documents were without a doubt classified properly at the time of release. If that header was taken off it was done so illegally by someone close to Clinton. She is the only one with balls enough to do so because the average person realizes the penalty for fucking with the NSA
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Yes, and it appears you are on the naughty list
     
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