Hillary's E-Mail (Breaking News: Smoking Gun Officially Announced)

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    It's a polemic but well said and great exposure of the rank hypocrisy of HRC and the fellow travelers on the left.
    Hillary Knows Something Most Democrats Can’t Admit
    [​IMG]CNNHillary Clinton is nothing if not responsive to the changing winds of Democratic Party opinion. As CNN's Anderson Cooper succinctly put it to her in the very first question of last week's Democratic presidential debate, "You were against same-sex marriage. Now you're for it. You defended President Obama's immigration policies. Now you say they're too harsh. You supported his trade deal dozen of times. You even called it the ‘gold standard.’ Now, suddenly, last week, you're against it." (It's worth noting that she promptly lied about the latter flip-flop.)

    On guns, on responding rhetorically to the phrase "black lives matter," and especially on economic policy, Clinton is responding to the contemporary passions of the Democratic grassroots by tacking leftward. So it's illustrative for both the candidate and the party to observe which issues the Democratic frontrunner does not feel evident pressure to "absorb new information" about.

    Chief among them is a critique that dominated lefty discourse in 2007-08, and then almost immediately vanished as a hot topic: the imperial presidency. Democrats in the late Bush/Cheney era were apoplectic about the White House's rogue warmaking; now their standard-bearer is characterizing as "smart power at its best" that time when the Obama administration acted in persistent, blatant defiance of Congress by bombing Muammar Gadhafi out of power:

    Well, let's remember what was going on. We had a murderous dictator, Gadhafi, who had American blood on his hands, as I'm sure you remember, threatening to massacre large numbers of the Libyan people. We had our closest allies in Europe burning up the phone lines begging us to help them try to prevent what they saw as a mass genocide, in their words. And we had the Arabs standing by our side saying, "We want you to help us deal with Gadhafi."

    Our response, which I think was smart power at its best, is that the United States will not lead this; we will provide essential, unique capabilities that we have, but the Europeans and the Arabs had to be first over the line. We did not put one single American soldier on the ground in Libya. [...]

    I think President Obama made the right decision at the time. And the Libyan people had a free election the first time since 1951. And you know what, they voted for moderates, they voted with the hope of democracy. Because of the Arab Spring, because of a lot of other things, there was turmoil to be followed.

    But unless you believe the United States should not send diplomats to any place that is dangerous, which I do not, then when we send them forth, there is always the potential for danger and risk.

    [​IMG]NBCThis plate of hot rhetorical garbage was quickly disposed of by Jim Webb, whose lack of purchase in the Democratic race—despite his long record of opposing the imperial presidency—is another indication of how this issue just doesn't have juice in 2015. Webb's economical response:

    We had no treaties at risk. We had no Americans at risk. There was no threat of attack or imminent attack.

    There is plenty of time for a president to come to the Congress and request authority to use military force in that situation. I called for it on the Senate floor again and again. I called for it in Senate hearings.

    It is not a wise thing to do. And if people think it was a wise thing to do, try to get to the Tripoli airport today. You can't do it.

    Clinton's equally cavalier (and inaccurate) treatment of Edward Snowden ("He could have been a whistleblower, he could have gotten all the protections of being a whistleblower"), and defense of her vote to support the Patriot Act ("I think that it was necessary to make sure that we were able after 9/11 to put in place the security that we needed....We always have to keep the balance of civil liberties, privacy and security") make the case plain: If there remains any anti-war, pro-civil liberties sentiment among Democratic voters, it is not being reflected in their choice for president.

    Even more telling, that frontrunner is not feeling any observable political pressure to even feint toward a civil-libertarian direction. Which is an indictment not just of Hillary Clinton, but of the partisan opportunism underlying too much left-of-center activism. If Obama's grotesque flip-flops on executive power and war-making didn't cost him the love of his base, after all, why should Clinton even pretend to care in the first place?
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes. No, It's political diatribe.
     
  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    I knew you'd like it.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    There is nothing to debate about a political diatribe. It's a big "so what?" I could post them, too, but I don't. Make a point of your own and I'll take you on.
     
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    Winston1 Founding Member

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    I imagine all know my disdain for HRC but this is ridiculous self defeating and more than wrong. They are jokes before the world and those who listen to or encourage them are destructive to the body politic.
    More importantly they are making it easier to elect her because she seems reasonable in comparison.

    A Republican representative says Clinton would be subject to impeachment on day one

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    If Hillary Clinton wins the presidency, Rep. Mo...



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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    When will they ever learn. Whitewater and Monicagate were both partisan Republican attempts to overturn the results of two elections and it only made them look petty and vindictive. Now here is another Republican saying that they will try to overturn the will of the American people the day she enters office. Amazing. Wake up GOP! The American people are sick of the partisan bickering in Washington and here are the Republicans doubling down on it. They are enabling the democrats to take the high road on this one.

    I'll be honest with you. I have issues with Hillary and the Democratic party like I always have, which is why I've never been a Democrat. I had issues with Obama, too but the democrats have the virtue of not being Republicans. The Republicans have lost their collective mind. They are pursuing a declining demographic. They are letting about 40 Tea-party anarchists in the House lead the party over the right cliff. The GOP is in total disarray and I expect a major split after the debacle in 2016.

    And if Biden enters the race with his penchant for gaffes, he will likely start returning favors.
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    There is some truth there @red55 but there is also a bit of wishful thinking as well. hrc is a damn crook of the highest order and its about time someone held her feet to the damn fire. I don't think we will have to worry about the impeachment because I don't think she can win the general election.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Make your case, then. What has she stolen, who has she injured, who has she defrauded? What exactly makes her a "crook of the highest order". Good luck with that.

    Who is going to win the general election? Trump? Bush? Good luck with that, too.
     
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    Don't give the sheeple voters so much credit. When she can pull the wool over a smart guy like red she can certainly fool enough of the other voters. The FBI needs to go ahead and indict her.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    For what?
     
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