Hillary's E-Mail (Breaking News: Smoking Gun Officially Announced)

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    So you have to qualify and retract. Hell Red there was significant opposition here but not from HRC she was right in there the whole way. Why because she had seen the intelligence for 10 years. She believed there were WMDs in Iraq. the generals didn't put the troops in anti chemecial, biological warfare suits for the fun of it. You can't rewrite that.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    True story, I was there
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    **side bar** because it's funny. Some of the old timers may remember this as I'm sure I've told it before.

    During Desert Storm when the Iraqis were surrendering in droves it really became an issue. We had so many prisoners that we just didn't have the capability to handle them and processing became a nightmare. Well some genius has himself just a wonderful idea. They decide that beings we have all this engineering equipment we should dig a big hole, and we did. I mean a big deep effing hole. I think the idea was to put all these detainees in the hole and they would be easier to manage. Think about that for a while. Ok, everyone but tap gets it so we are moving on.

    So imagine if you will a bunch of useless, unmotivated, dregs of the Iraqi army, most of them didn't have shoes being corralled into this giant hole. Of course they are thinking they are about to be buried alive or shot or something. You couldn't have driven a buttered needle up any of their asses with a sledge hammer but in the hole they went.

    THEN some jackass gets on one of the command nets and says gas-gas-gas being the well trained machine that we were we went to MOPP-4 and it sucked. Until we looked into the hole to see these poor bastards trying to hold their breath.

    Good thing it was a false alarm because we were laughing so hard we would have all been dead.
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Bush owns that war and you can't change that. And the fact remains that the WMD's were imaginary.
     
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    Have to agree with Red here. The intelligence community in Washington was very skeptical of WMDs in Iraq.

    There was a little cell that Cheney created in the pentagon, cant remember the name, but they were all from the neocon camp. Their qualifications were strictly political, not intel professionals.

    They drove the assessments and articulated upward what met with their agenda and withheld what did not. In the intel business, only passing along facts that suit your story is not only unprofessional but dishonest. The necons wanted a war and they got one. There was no exit strategy, just their belief that they could "government build" a democracy, just like the ol USof A. Delusional to the extreme. Take out that cell, and there would have been NO belief WMD's existed in IRAQ and probably no war!

    Trivia note: WMD is a SOVIET era term, not one we ever used until it became fashionable within the Washington Beltway and with consultants (Beltway Bandits) to throw it out there and sound all professional and alarming. The US and NATO had previously used NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) in lieu of WMD.
     
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    101 pages on this bullshit. It is time for freaking football!
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The term has been used since the Spanish Civil war in reference to the carpet bombing of cities. Naturally, as practitioners of the fire bombing of cities, the US and British tended to redefine the term to refer only to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. But John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush 41 all used the term to refer to NBC weapons. The proliferation of the term during the Iraq crisis I think was intentional by the neocons. They knew that Saddam's nuclear capability was zero but were hoping that people would imagine nuclear weapons when they hear the term "WMD" although referring to chemical weapons.
     
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    3 more weeks pops
     
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    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    @red55 minimally, can we agree she is at least guilty of this much?
    http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLtdP1...ibGVtLw--/RS=^ADAJNQ_ALRPgTjqncqPbwReWnM4njM-
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Guilty of what? A 57 disapproval rating by a FOXnews poll? What does that prove? Nothing.

    She is guilty of nothing until and unless she is charged with a crime. None of the emails were ever compromised so there is no national security problem. Whether or not her server was "authorized" is still open to question. So is whether the information in her emails was actually classified at the time. We will see. I know you and FOX really wants her to be charged with a misdemeanor, but there ain't one until there is one.

    I can agree that she could have saved herself this hassle by just using two phones like many officials do. Her convenience left her open to all of this political mudslinging. But you know it is going to lead to FOI requests for emails of many other government officials and the mess that exists in classification of information is going to become really apparent. HWR is right. They classify way too much information because it is easy to do, but it handicaps legitimate use of information that is not a secret at all. Moreover, the separate agencies disagree on what should be classified.

    Like that business about her discussing the "secret" drone program in an email. What she was actually discussing was a published article about the "secret" drone program. The program may be officially secret, but when the press has been reporting on it for six years, it ain't a secret anymore. And her discussing a published article in an official email is not revealing anything from classified sources.
     
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