Hey Rex...NOW we learn...

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  1. ashgeaux

    ashgeaux Founding Member

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    The subscript for the White House documents is different from the CBS memos. Those were also actual defense records, they would have more advanced typewriters than Killian. His family has even came out to say that he didn't type in the first place, so it's doubtful he could find an advanced typewriter and then figure out how to do the "th". That was only one of 40 inaccuracies found. The one typewriter from back then that could do script similar to Microsoft Word has already been tested, it still didn't match up.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    hahahahah. my favorite part is: "people just take anything as fact and jump right out with it". you people who believed cbs news on this one got seriously burned.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Quite likely.

    Or it could be a very clever and successful operation to smear Dan Rather. :wink:
     
  4. martin

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    well, surely if was an operation to expose dan rather as a sloppy journalist, that dosent mean that he wasnt caught attempting to smear bush with info he didnt properly investigate. so if internal forces at cbs news may be trying to get rid of rather, as you say, thats nice, but they simultaneously exposed cbs as partisan, which obviously matters a whole lot more.

    point being, i think you should replace your "or", with "and". saying "or" implies that one or the other is true at the exclusion of the other.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    "Or" simply indicates an alternative motive for counterfeiting exists. Any inferences as to exclusive implications are those of the reader.
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    incorrect. the term or logically means one or the other, but not both.

    this story is not:

    "just a silly, sloppy and botched attempt to smear Pres. Bush.."

    OR

    "a very clever and successful operation to smear Dan Rather."

    you are simply wrong, and are using words incorrectly. the word "or" is a logical term meaning one thing, to the exclusion or the other. your claim is similar to my saying whoopi goldberg is black "OR" jewish, and is a fallacious and flawed statement. the word "and" is the correct word to use.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are simply confused. That statement is correct only if you are a computer programmer! :lol: In a computer program "OR" is indeed a logical statement meaning one thing to the exclusion of another.

    I was not writing code. I was writing English. "Or" is a conjunction with several definitions in our language.

    or, conj.
    1. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: "hot or cold"; "this, that, or the other".

    2. Used to indicate the second of two alternatives, the first being preceded by either or whether: "Your answer is either ingenious or wrong". "I didn't know whether to laugh or cry."

    3. Used to indicate a synonymous or equivalent expression: "acrophobia, or fear of great heights".

    4. Used to indicate uncertainty or indefiniteness: "two or three".


    Definitions 1 and 2 simply indicate alternatives, can indicate multiple alternatives, and include no connotations of logical exclusivity. The reader may assume this, but he is not forced to deduct that both alternatives could not be true. Clearly a person can laugh and cry at the same time.

    Definition 3 connotes equivalency rather than exclusivity. Definition 4 actually connotes uncertainty.

    In any case this is moot to the point I was making. You can actually assume exclusivity with my statement if you prefer. I did intend to connote it in this case! It is not logical to assume that two different counterfeiting plots with opposed motives could have each happened. I suggest there was ONE motive behind this plot OR there was ANOTHER one.
     
  8. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Which one of you guys is going to post the NFL broadcast disclaimer next? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
     
  9. martin

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    you are still absolutely incorrect.

    in fact all of your examples except number 3, which is irrelevant, prove my point.

    again, this is an absolutely abyssmal use of the english language.

    a smart way of expressing what you claim to mean would be:

    "i agree there may be the motive of discrediting the president on the part of cbs, as well as a possible internal effort to expose dan rather as partisan or incompetent."

    whether some person or group set up rather to go public with a bogus story is not relevant to the fact that his intended to smear bush even if he only has dubious evidence.

    your examples only brutally prove my point, as they are mutually exclusive things like "hot or cold", "laugh or cry" and "two or three". these are clearly one OR the other, but not both. understand that, old man?

    so my original statement that you should have chosen the operator "and" and not "or" is brutally correct, and your best option now would be to give up before i even further demonstrate your wrongness.

    next time, dont try to oppose me, just listen.
     
  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    its definitely A and possibly B.


    the only reason he came clean was because he was caught lying or as some may say, misleading. If this was 20 years ago this is passed as fact and Blather continues blathering.

    He was an infuence in Cronkite retiring...time for full circle treatment. good ol' cbs.
     

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