Healthcare: Right, Privilege, or Responsibility?

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  1. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    While the ACLU has taken obvious actions that I don't agree with the ones that Red points out I do. It is a love / hate organization that seems to move on principle in my eyes rather than on situation.

    Having tolerance is what this country is all about.

    And to comment on this quote:

    If you are trying to portray Christianity as the victim I might as well start laughing now.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    By God, you're getting better at this! It's my influence, I take all the credit. Note to Purple, Bandit, AttackTiger, Mac and the other Young Republicans: this is how to score a point. Ranting without any supporting evidence is just bloviating.

    Salty knows that I'm careful to document my positions. He also knows that I'm a devious bastard who debates with a single-minded ruthlessness. Craftily he realizes that I'm not likely to offer alternate definitions that broaden the issue from the line I'm taking. So he actually goes to the dictionary and investigates. Voilla! He can make a point that I'm forced to let stand and move on.

    Yes, Sergeant. By that definition of socialism, almost any practice can be described as socialism. :wink: Marxist communist theory, however, was not what was being discussed. National health insurance as a socialist endeavor was the topic.

    I'm chagrined. How can I live with this shame? :bncry::rolleye33::wave::hihi:

    Debate is a blood sport, Cupcake. I don't have to argue for the other side. :grin:
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Gimme a break, you know I'm mostly a daytime poster. See above. Posting a true published definition is NOT misinformation. if there are alternate definitions that help your argument, it is up to you to provide them, which you did.
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Changing your position now. FIrst it was that Liberals are trying to defeat the COnstitution. Now that I point out what the Conservatives have done to evade the Constitution, you say "Only criminals have anything to fear from any of that". Suddenly it's OK if Republicans abuse the Constitution.

    OK, then give us an example of this. You are the one who despises the ACLU for defending personal liberties. You can't have it both ways.
     
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  5. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    Didn't change my position at all. First, I have no problems with anything in the unfortunately named Patriot Act. Because only criminals and terrorists are targetted. Second, they haven't evaded the Constitution because as near as I can tell, noone except Liberal "shills" have said any of this is unconstitutional. Dissembling again.

    First of all, quote me where I voice any opinion whatsoever about the ACLU.

    Second, I've GIVEN you examples of this. But here are a couple of reminders. Have fun fisking them....

    Liberals want to tell you which schools you can/cannot attend (no school vouchers). Liberals want to tell you how much money you should/should not earn (redistribution of wealth through tax policy). Liberals want to tell you whether you should be able to own a gun or not (gun control policy). Liberals want to tell you how much risk you should take, and how you should pay, for your health insurance (obvious - universal health care).

    Conservative platforms contain illiberal ideals as well.

    My statement was that I find it ironic that the ideology who's label is rooted with the word liberty is by far the most autocratic (i.e. big government, pro-regulatory, etc) in American politics, excepting the American Communist party, who I will note has been remarkably silent since Obama won the nomination... coincidence? Prolly. But it's fun to spin you up...
     
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    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    If you think the Patriot Act is Constitutional then I don't think you even need to be debating because you lost your mind a long time ago.
     
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  7. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    I don't understand the conspiracy theorists on this one. Are people really crazy enough to believe that every person in a country of 300+ million residents is being watched by one segment of the federal government?

    Obviously the Democrats NEVER violate anyone's civil rights so it would have to be the minority Republican side of the aisle that's violating your privacy. I'm guessing that every federal agent (who has sold their soul to the mean conservatives) is watching approximately 30,000 residents daily. Damn...that's just too much governement intervention.

    What's amazing is they can violate the right of 300+ million people while still finding time to fly planes into buildings and blow up levees in New Orleans. Oh...and also create hurricanes, earthquakes, and wildfires.

    Mean, mean, mean, evil Republicans!!!!!!!

    Okay this is what you psycho anti-Patriot Act conspiracy theorists sound like. Do you really believe you're going to win any sane people over to your side with such tactics?

    I can GUARANTEE nobody in the federal government could give a damn about what Rex B or Red is doing today and nobody is looking to violate their civil rights...(except for a few of us :hihi:)
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    As far as I can tell you never bother to look. And don't try to tell us that the Bush Administration's Department of Justice is a liberal "shill" organization.

    A Review of the FBI’s Use of National Security Letters: US Deptarment of Justice

    Soooo . . . you don't despise the ACLU?

    No kidding!

    The American Nazi party has been very quiet since MCCain was nominated, too. Irrelevent. Of course.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You're just trying to personally discredit me because you fear I'm right. It's a poor substitute for an actual argument. :dis:
     
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  10. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Apparently you don't know what the Constitution provides it's citizens. Those that aren't citizens I could care less if you spy on them.

    The Patriot Act is not only used for terrorist but anytime the GOVT thinks they are right without any DUE PROCESS of law.

    And as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN your mentioning Democrats/Republicans serves no purpose.
     
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