i never understand these discussion. the beliefs are just there, and that is it. at the end of the day, it is all based on faith, so you can believe anything and you are just as right as the guy who believes the opposite. it doesnt matter what the bible says or doesnt say, or what denomination makes whatever interpretation. martin luther can nail whatever he pleases to any door he wants and still the beliefs are based on faith, which necessarily cannot be really examined. there is nothing to discuss. exactly. and pastafarians claim the spaghetti monster touched us with his noodly appendage. you guys talk as if there is some real source material to examine. some actual data, real facts to think about. there isnt. you choose your faith and go from there. the end.
