Guess I'm worm food now

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Matthew 25 14-23. The Catholic teaching of Baptism by desire.
     
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    Matthew 25:14-23

    # "For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.
    # And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
    # Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents.
    # And likewise he who had received two gained two more also.
    # But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money.
    # After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
    # So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, 'Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.'
    # His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
    # He also who had received two talents came and said, 'Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.'
    # His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'


    You sure about that? I think you might have the wrong book or chapter here....

    Also, doesn't Baptism by Desire require an implicit desire for baptism, which requires a supernatural faith in god? If one's native gods are planets or forest creatures, how can there be an implicit desire for baptism?
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

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    You are right I meant the next parable, the judgement of the nations. It begins at Matt 25:31.

    Yes, so I guess this doesn't relate directly since we were talking about those with no knowledge of Christ. For those ignorant of Christ through no fault of their own they may be saved. That is invincible ignorance.
     
  4. USMTiger

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    So then, if thats the rule, then wouldn't the path to saving the souls of the world lead to suppresing any knowledge of god, period? I mean, if ignorance is an acceptable excuse, why not make sure that nobody ever hears of god again?
     
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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    what better gift than of enlightenment and eternal hell all in one stroke of the brush. we've come to discover ignorance is indeed bliss.
     
  6. col reb

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    It IS condemnation. But not yours or mine. You and I do not have the authority or power to condemn ANYONE to burn in hell for an eternity. But He does. On judgement day, He will condemn many. But He first gave His plan of eternal salvation to us. Had it not been for the first sin, we would still be living in Paradise. But man committed sin and we now are paying for it. With His plan of salvation, we now have an opportunity to reconcile with the Father. It is OUR choice whether or not to reconcile with Him. He even states that many will refuse. He is a loving God but He is also a revengeful God. Ever read about a "tooth for a tooth?" Read a verse or two farther. He says that revenge is His. He will take care of those who harm his sheep.

    But you are right in a sense. He will condemn many.
     
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    I've read enough to understand that it was a tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy and was marked by the severity of questioning, cruel punishments, and lack of rights afforded to the accused. But I'd be interested to read a scholarly effort to whitewash it. Got a citation?

    [in his best Church Lady voice] "How Conveeeeeenient".

    But what about that unbroken succession? Paul was not one of the twelve.
     
  8. USMTiger

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    So he created man in his own image, but it was a flawed image that had a natural tendency to sin, and because the original one guy followed his god-made nature and sinned, all of his offspring must now lay prostrate before god or burn? And we are supposed to be in love with him for doing these evil things to man?

    God sounds like a jerk to me.
     
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    Yep...in His own image. Not perfect...but in His image. They sinned. He didn't. Maybe Adam didn't "follow" his God-made nature but rebeled against it? Why say Adam had a "natural" tendency to sin? He yielded to the temptation from Satan. Looks to me like he went against his natural nature. According to the Bible, the day will come that all men will bow before Him. Like it or not. Every man decides whether to accept Him or not. If you have chosen not to, then it is simply your right to chose so.

    If your children do something that you have to correct them for (spank, take away privileges, etc) do you not do so? Even when you are angry, you leave a way for them to get back in your good graces, don't you. Or do you never forgive them?:)
     
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    Edward Peters is probably the modern expert on the inquisitions in general, and on the Spanish on in particular. He said:

    His book is Inquisition.

    Another book worth Reading is The Spanish Inquisition: A Revision by Henry Kamen

    Despite being historical revisions neither book has garnered any major objections from professional historians.

    Why Apologize For The Spanish Inquisition? by Very Rev. Fr. Alphonsus Maria Duran, is another work which was conducted in conjunction with an academic study of case records from the Inquisitions in Spain and France.


    When he had his vision and started teaching the Church was already established. He was subject to the hierarchy established by Christ.
     

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