Right. That is why we can go ahead and agree to disagree on this particular issue. I know upwards of 10 gay guys who either had no father, divorced parents, or a father who came out of the closet after having kids. Neither my nor your anecdotal evidence makes either of our arguments 100% true; I just give one non-sexual possible cause for homosexual behavior. I don't know if this has been shown. In Christian counseling, we attack many of these types of situations. One way a person can go in the weak/no father situation is to become ultra-masculine... e.g. overcompensating by being a "lady-killer" as it were; cursing like a sailor, etc. The other way is to give up on masculinity altogether.
Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a pre-determined genetic condition. No one choses to be a homosexual anymore than they chose to be a heterosexual. One day you and I did not wake up, draw up a list of advantages and disadvantages of being heterosexual vs homosexual and then make a conscious decision to be heterosexual. One day we just realized that we like girls. The same is true with homosexuals. That is why most thinking religions do not consider the sexual orientation itself to be a sin; because a sin must alway involve a choice. Sin comes into play when a homosexual actually decides to enter into an active homosexual relationship. That does involve a choice.
You cannot state this as a fact any more than I can state "The sky is green" as a fact. Really. How about those ancient Greeks and their catamites? :rofl: This discussion isn't about sin. We are looking at it from a nature vs nuture viewpoint.
If it isn't a sin, how do you explain what God told to Moses? God spells it out clearly in the Bible how he feels about men laying with men, men laying with animals, and men laying with those that are not of the age of consent. There is no grey area there.
What about people that are clinically insane, and thus commit heinous acts out of no sort of volition whatsoever? I see it as a mutation, similar to a trisomy of the 21st chromosome (Down's syndrom), not as a dominant or recessive gene that is passed down from generation to generation. Further, one of the thing I learned in Catholic school was that the Bible had been translated many different times in many different languages over the course of centuries, and often by clerics or other religious personnel that wouldn't be above putting their own slant/interpretation on various readings. I'm not saying that what you stated isn't really what God said, just that one should exercise caution when citing it.
salty is right, the bible clearly says that gayness is terrible. notes: i think in america it the new correct term is down syndrome, not down's. i believe in england your way is still correct, which i guess makes it acceptable in the same sense as the word "colours". "jist" is spelled "gist". you know a lot of homos, i think we need elite scientists to investigate whether you are causing them to go gay somehow. in other news, i once dated a girl, then dumped her, then she became a lesbian and a stripper. i think the cause was either me, or her defective dna. i have some elite scientists on that right now. thats true, but i drew up a cost/benefit analysis just now, and the numbers show that i should go ahead and stay straight.
Boy, that 'elite scientists' bit sure has your panties in a wad, doesn't it? It's just semantics, bro. Don't let it keep you up tonight.
honestly i just think that is an amusingly vague way of saying things. it reminds me of that scene in indiana jones: we have top men working on it now who? top ....men
Cool, thanks for your opinion. Maybe if was said in a more soothing tone I would have bit on it and believed it.
This is one of the teachings that the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church uses to reinforce the official dogma that Sola Scriptura is errant. (Certain debate-minded Protestants use Scripture to attack HRCAC on several of its established dogma such as the sacrament of baptism, reconciliation, holy orders, etc. and the HRCAC says that obviously the infallible Popes/Magisterium were divinely inspired to create teachings directly in opposition to that of the Bible)
