Originally posted by LSUsupaFan: As far as massive weatlth transfers to the poor nations i don't know but massive wealth transfers to Asia are coming in the future and there is nothing we can do about it. You can only hope the dollar loses its value slowly, whether or not it loses value is already a foregone conclusion. The dollar will not and cannot remain the world reserve currency indefinitely. Once it loses that status the standard of living of those in the US (already declining relative to other nations) will head south appreciably. Asia will be wealthier and the US will be poorer.
But what have they accomplished towards that goal? There is nothing like a global government out there. Global planning I can understand, global outlook, and global trade, but a global government is not something that is gaining any traction anywhere, I think.
Originally posted by Red: As far as I understand it their accomplishments are among other things, the WTO, the IMF and UN. I think they have run into more trouble with the International Court at the Hague as presently most governments have not ceded enough sovereignty to allow their politicians to be called before the court. Otherwise Bush, theoretically, could have been called to the Hague. As far as their successes go.....they consist of various treaties on (whatever subject matter in question....trade, finance, climate) that are multi-lateral. This is very important. It is not beneficial to the proponents of global government to have thousands of bilateral agreements so they do not do these. So what they have to have is multi-lateral agreements and then as the natural friction arises between competing factions within the agreement they will say they need an ability to enforce the treaty. Then the US government must comply with whatever the controling authority decides. Kind of like a global arbitration. And then the US government seated in Washington is no longer the final authority on what transpires within the US borders. It will have to comply with rules and regulations spelled out in whatever they decide to call the document. And the rules and regulations will always slowly increase until they are calling the shots. You can see it all at work quite well in the EU. This is also why I think they sincerely believe it will work and result in world peace. The EU has been quite successful in many ways. One of the main points they slipped up on was the EU Constitution. The Irish and I think the Poles and Czechs voted against it. Or maybe it was the French who voted against so it never even went to the Poles. I can't remember exactly how it went down. Anyway, they just renamed it the Treaty of Lisbon instead of the EU Constitution and now, it looks like it's going to make it through. Once it is accepted there is no going back. That's the great thing about the process from their point of view. They just keep having another vote if the last one was rejected. They can have it rejected 9 times and get it through once and then its permanent. What a racket, eh?:dis:
although these folks are mostly lunatics, there is something to consider here. we are swaying too far towards a policy where we feel the need to run our ideas past the international community or give the slightes **** what the UN says. probably the best thing about bush was that he generally didnt give a damn about the morons in the international community and did what was best for the US, which is of course what also happens to be what is best for the world, although they are too cowardly to admit it.
to some extent, both. i agree that we put way too much stock in international opinion, and i do thik we are in danger of becomeing way too concerned about BS diplomacy crap, the kind of thing that supposedly earned obama his prize. but also i dont think we are exactly on the road to having a one-world communist government. but certainly i agree this upcoming summit is miserable and should be avoided and nothing should be signed.
Few countries are likely to let anything like that happen that isn't in their own best interests. Cooperation is a good thing in dozens of circumstances, without surrendering sovereignty. Like extraditing criminals so that they can't escape justice by globetrotting. We've done this for a long time. World trade organizations are also helpful when we are dealing with so many modern multi-national corporations who will also exploit differences between nations to evade taxes, conduct illegal activities, and escape prosecution. Not only that but to prevent our own corporations from being treated unfairly overseas. It really doesn't tread on sovereignty to make trade agreements we approve of and then hold to them. Almost every action has positive and negative ramifications, sometimes a proper balance can be found, sometimes not. Nations will preserve their best interests. I just think it's a bit paranoid to think this will inevitably lead to loss of sovereignty or a world government.
France will never go for a one world government. The Froggies will continue to do what is in their own best interest. The U.S. would do well to take note.
