Gallup: More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice”

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    No. Eggs are part of the mother and have her DNA only just as seman has only the DNA of the dude who made it. It is when the egg and seman join that a new person is made.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    so what if there is consent to abort in the earliest stages of pregnancy from the mother and the father?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm glad you understand that reproduction is a special circumstance where two DNA's can inhabit the same body.

    Is it not obvious? Whose blood flows through that fetus? Who breathes for the embryo? Who is umbilically linked with the embryo? Now, whose entire environment exists within its host and who is physically unable to exist without her? These are not philosphical questions.

    I'm not a mother, but it happens all the time with them.

    You continue to evade the point. Of course it is human, not a porpoise, that is not the question. But it is not a being with all the rights due a being until and unless it develops into one.

    First trimester embryo's are not beings just because they can become one under the right circumstances. That circumstance is viability outside the womb. Before then, all rights and responsibilities concerning the mother are the mothers, exclusively.

    That's my philosophy. We must agree to disagree on this. You aren't changing my mind any, although I do understand your position much better. I still think your religious beliefs are at the core of your opposition, but you have crafted a secular viewpoint that I can grasp.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Well you can't stop people from killing themselves, even though it is illegal, but I don't think the state should be sponsoring suicide either. It creates to many ethical problems.


    Yes. It creates a myriad of ethical problems like who gets to decide in the case of no living will or what rights do doctors have in refusing to kill patients.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So, when a miscarriage happens, . . . did God commit murder?
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    i dont think it should sponsor suicide either, but i dont think they should get in the way of it. Suicide being illegal is pretty damn stupid. Thats also a law that made because of Religion, you wont go to heaven if you commit suicide.



    see i have to disagree, if you wouldnt have had the church telling all these people how wrong it is, i honestly dont think it would have been an issue, but now it has been buried in our psyche which is passed down from generation to generation, kind of like marijuana being illegal because its dangerous.
     

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