Cause god knows, we can't have a conversation that is factual here at TigerForums.com. My two lines in this thread aren't biased in any way, merely factual. I could have posted any one of the multitude of quotes by Cheney or GWB stating the connections (which are grossly incorrect) but I didn't. Merely stating the facts.
And being that you have a security clearance equal to both of these men, and absolutely no political axe to grind whatsoever, you'd know that to be true...right? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Only here does the facts require meeting a burden of proof. Fair enough. The Sept. 11 commission reported that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq. (FACT) The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." (FACT) there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming." (LIE) The finding challenges a belief held by large numbers of Americans about al Qaeda's ties to Hussein. According to a Harris poll in late April, a plurality of Americans, 49 percent to 36 percent, believe "clear evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found." ((FACT (so sad that half of the poll are uniformed sheep) )) In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that Sept. 11 mastermind Mohamed Atta met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official before the attacks, in April 2000 in Prague (LIE) Cheney - "The Iraqi government or the Iraqi intelligence service had a relationship with al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s." (LIE) In September, Cheney said on NBC's "Meet the Press": "If we're successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." (LIE) Bush (SOU Jan. 28, 2003): Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. (LIE) And the cream of the twinkie: President Bush said there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 disputing an impression that critics say the administration tried to foster to justify the war against Iraq. "There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said. But he also said, "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th." The president's comment was the administration's firmest assertion that there is no proven link between Saddam and Sept. 11. (Fact)
You just wasted a whole bunch of time and bandwidth simply because, as usual, you missed the point. The point is, you don't know everything. Regardless of what you may think, you're not entitled to know everything. You know what the government and the media see fit for you to know. Get it? I'm not espousing any great conspiracy theory or anything here. I'm just saying that you can only make blanket statements like you're making given the information that you have right now. That doesn't necessarily make them fact, because you're not necessarily aware of everything that's involved. I heard someone say the other day that it takes at least 50 years to figure out what's right and what's wrong. I think that's a pretty fair assessment.
Dude, what part of fact and lie do you not understand? Lie - A fiction; a fable; an untruth. Fact - Reality; actuality; truth. All of the above statements that are marked lie are indeed, lies. All of the above statements that are marked facts are indeed, facts. Just because I'm helplessly biased one way doesn't change the nature of a fact or a lie. If I was just throwing stuff out there, I wouldn't call them facts. And how this turned from a debate into a personal attack that I don't know anything is confusing. Believe me, that is not news to me that I don't know everything.
If you can take my statement that you don't have all the facts at your disposal that the higher-ups in our gov't. have as a personal attack, then you really need to get a thicker skin. Don't take it so personally, dude...I don't have all the facts either.
I have a top secret clearence in the US military. That really has nothing to do with anything. I just thought I'd throw that out there. (usually, that kind of info is need to know, and I nor you or anyone out of the loop, needs to know) :thumb:
The eye rolling and "sigh" were merely expressions of "here we go again". There may not be a "smoking gun" link between Iraq and al qaeda, but I'll go back to my snake analogy. You get bit by one snake and there are 2 of them there, do you kill only the one that bit you? What you fail to factor into the equation is the fact that the we had been attacked on our own turf. That was no time to be politically correct. You are either with us or agin us. Saddam was giving every indication he was "agin" us. Unfortunately for him, Bush was in no mood to be f**ked with. Good for Bush, I say.
The President has "Eyes Only" clearance. As high as you can get. Therefore, he very definitely has access to info that neither you, I, nor Mystikallillusion has or needs to have. That's my whole point to Mystikalillusion.
there are lots of justifications for the war. i have been over it many times. i would like to see the entire quote by cheney. clearly hussien does have links to terrorism. do you deny he pays off the families of suicide bombers? so what? people are stupid. they aleo believe in jesus and all sorts of fairy tales. this is irrelevant. the middle east is not where the terrorists are from? are they from iceland or australia? what are you talking about. when saddam arranged to pay the families of suicide bombers, do you think he made sure they were not al qaeda first? i like to listen to the actual words of the president and not what people are portraying him as saying. i have listened to lots and lots of speeches, and i never got the impression bush was going to invade iraq because iraq was involved with sept 11. so i repeat the quote you just said, which again asserts that you are saying the opposite of the truth: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th." - bush now how i that not 100% honest? stop potraying what he said and listen to what he actually said. you are trying terribly hard to make a man appear dishonest by telling us what he meant. let him tell us what he meant.
