Freedom of Choice Act

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  1. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    And that is Fundie thought in a nutshell. If you don't personally approve of the activity, then you must actively oppose it so no one else can do it either. If you are not against it, then you must be for it. Black and white.
     
  2. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    So taking this discussion in another direction, what next? Is it ever going to be even possible to make abortion illegal? What would need to happen? Would overturning Roe v. Wade be enough? If Roe v. Wade was overturned, would it then be a States Rights issue? What would you Pro-Lifers do if a Constitutional Amendment was added making abortion legal?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Abortion is illegal right now if it fall outside Roe parameters. The country doesn't want to return to the unsavory illegal abortion practices of the pre-Roe era, nor do they want total legality of abortion in any fashion. The national opinion is too evenly split for there to be the kind of compromise that would permit a Constitutional Amendment of either kind.

    Roe v Wade has always been a compromise between abortion-on-demand and total abortion illegality. It has worked for over 40 years. Unless the country moves significantly towards one philosophy or the other, I see Roe (or something equally a compromise) prevailing.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

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    Only someone who is in favor of legal abortion can call Roe a compromise. Babies can still be murdered under Roe.

    Here is a real compromise, a Mother to be has the choice to do whatever she wants to her own body. The definition of her body being what ever part has her identicle DNA. If the part of her body has different human DNA then it is a separate person and must be afforded the rights of one.

    Under this proposal the mother still has complete control over hew own body, and no babies get killed.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Only someone wearing blinders cannot see it for what it is. Zealots on either side can never accept a compromise.

    Only by your stretched definitions of "baby" and of "murder".
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    If being against baby killing makes one a zealot sign me up.

    My 16 month old son saw his 8 week ultrasound picture for the first time the other day. His mom asked him what the picture was, and he said baby.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If being against government and religious interference in personal family matters makes me a zealot, then sign me up.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    george carlin said it best... "If you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're pre-schooled, you're ****ed. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life, these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors, what kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do everything they can do save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?"

    and “They aren’t pro-life they are anti-woman.”

    abortion is no more murder than a woman having her period every month and flushing her eggs out.
     
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  9. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    If my tax dollars are paying for it, I don't believe it's a personal family matter.

    I didn't ask to be drawn into anyone's personal life but when they demand I pay for their actions, i feel I should have my input. Anything short of that and my rights are violated.
     
  10. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    I don't think it will end because we have an enormous amount of irresponsible people in this country. We also have one political party convincing people they can't survive without government intervention. There's also the liberal thought that certain groups of people only commit crime or act irresponsibly because of situations beyond their control.

    It's a nice fantasy to decline responsibility and blame all your problems on society. The majority of abortions are a result of irresponsible people not the health of the mother. Unless people ae held accountable for their actions, Roe vs. Wade will continue. I'm not seeing a lot of people looking in the mirror so my guess is it will continue.
     

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