but that is my point exactly. being overlooked in the whole argument on abortion is that the male is responsible for more than deposting a bit of sperm. once that part is over, all responsibility is being placed on the female. there are cases of men wanting the child and the woman not and that is an area that is more than a bit complicated. now in cases where both donors decide to continue the pregnancy and keep the child or place it for adoption, there is no argument. for pro life, it is life, for pro choice they made a choice, for the male and female, they were in agreement. everybodys happy. but in cases where both the egg and sperm donors (and i phrase it that way because sometimes that is all they are fit to be) are in agreement, and the decision is to abort, why are we placing the all of the responsibility, consesquences, and possible legal ramifications on the female? if we really want to cut down on unintended pregnancies and abortions, in proposing anti-abortion laws , shouldnt we make the male equally responsible in all aspects, legal and financial?
As referenced by supafan earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#cite_ref-10 Which sites this link as it's source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.html You can check Table 3. It's from 87-88, so the numbers may have changed since then. If you can find a more recent study that says it's more common, be my guest. My argument won't change, just the percentage that I put in my statement.
I would argue that the child is not. I have zero problem with that scenario. Adding responsibility leads to a change in behavior. Taking away responsibility does the opposite. Let me give you a scenario. If we invented a shot tomorrow that could instantly cure any STD(aids, herpes, etc), do you think premarital sex would increase? How about the use of condoms? Point being if we just had a "do-over" shot, the behavior that caused us to become infected would never decrease. It might in fact increase, as there would be no long term ramifications. Condom use, which today is viewed as at least some measure of responsible behavior, would all but end. Responsibility is trumped by convenience. I view abortion in much the same way. For most men and women, it is simply a "do-over".
It was the percentage that I questioned, amigo! Anyway the article focused on why women wanted an abortion, not the circumstances by which they became pregnant, which was your contention.
In Table 3 of the second link, you'll see under US that the percentage "Other: Was victim of rape or incest" was 1%. If you can refute that, more power to you. In all honestly, I don't care if the number is 20%, that leaves 80% of them that still support my point. Not really sure why the number is so important to the argument. Edit: Not sure if I misread your post to say you still questioned the number or not. The reason for this post is to clarify where the number is from. I didn't bother reading the article, so I'm certainly not using it to support my argument. To further define my stance on abortion, my issue has always been those that use it as a form of birth control. That makes me lean toward the woman's choice when rape is involved, and I've always been okay with abortion in situations where it's a choice between the mothers life or that of the kid. It's a tough issue.
maybe i am being blonde, but i am lost. how is a child that is not aborted and carried to full term on the wishes of both the male and female not happy with that decision? no. i think that all it might do is lesson the use of condoms. but cures would preserve a womans fertility for when she did want to have a child. i dont believe there is a lot that will lessen pre-marital sex. we need more education about how to prevent diseases and pregnancies. abstinance isnt the only answer, imo.
It's the key issue for me. Most of us disapprove of the notion that people use it for birth control, although I think it is overstated. Millions of people use birth control and get pregnant anyway. Overseas especially, young girls below the age of consent get pregnant without having control over it. Rape and incest victims and mothers whose lives are endangered are excepted by Roe v Wade but the "lifers" are mostly unwilling to make those exceptions in the legislation that they propose.
No, the blonde moment was mine..I read your statement as about abortion and not adoption. My bad. I disagree on the potential to lessen it. It will take a change in mores to be sure, but that starts off with consequences lived up to by the individual. In this case, the woman, and the man. Perhaps abstinence is not the only answer. But is it better to demand that people drive more safely, or just clean up the wrecks efficiently when they happen?
If someone thinks it is morally okay to shoot you in the head, why should the government care? The government has no business interfering with somebody who thinks it is morally okay to shoot you in the head, right?
