I challenge someone to do the same thing with USC (just for fun since they won 8 out of hte last 10 National Championships)!! :lol: :geauxtige :geauxtige :geauxtige :geauxtige
USC has a bunch b/c I think they had an OK basketball team some time back. Pretty interesting site, though. Ya'll better back off of ND - they've got about 8 NC in fencing between the men, women, & coed teams! I'd really like to see coed fencing. With a couple of six packs I bet it could be fun!
Personally, I have never claimed 12 national titles for Alabama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_championship That's a good read there. It helps with a lot of the ideas people have. However, I know the NCAA does not weigh any one poll more or less than the other... hence why Alabama, in theory, could claim as many as, last I saw, 23. They don't, however. My understanding has always been that certain polls were selected by them, Notre Dame, and others, to be the criteria for selecting national championships. We were selected with two losses by one poll in 1941 (or 45, can't remember which right now). That was one of the polls agreed upon... but I think after that year, or shortly thereafter, it was agreed to not recognize it anymore. *MY* point is that a lot of the article tried to debunk titles awarded in the 60's because of Alabama losing their bowl games... ignoring the fact that for the longest time, bowl games were considered exhibition matches, though still played for respect. They were not considered part of the season, and therefore had no bearing on the national title. This thinking shifted over the years. Trying to twist my words to imply Florida should not have won the NC this year is absurd. The agreed upon format is that the title is awarded after the BCS game. The agreed upon format back in the early 60s was that it was awarded the before the bowl games. If they changed the Heisman to be awarded after the bowl games, would that nullify all the players who won it before the bowl game then had a poor performance in their bowl game? We all know those people aren't going to have their trophies taken from them, so why all the uproar to have teams' trophies taken from them? The simple fact of the matter is this: Someone wants Alabama to not claim 12 titles. Understandable. Someone says that only the AP and UPI titles should be claimed. Understandable. Someone says that the AP and UPI titles awarded before bowl games should *NOT* be counted. Why? Because it helps their arguement without any sane reasoning behind it? The point of the matter is that Alabama can claim 7 or they can claim 12. I usually accept 11 or 7, end of story. No matter how you cut it, Alabama has more than any SEC school. Heck, they have more than any 3 SEC schools combined. Does the AP somehow gain credibility by having 8-2 Minnesota, loser of their bowl game, as National Championship winners in 1960?
I've always wanted to ask you how Iowa list the '58 season. Do they look at it as National title like LSU does?
LSU should also count by Bama championship rules. If you only go by NCAA-era titles then Bama has 6 and LSU has 2 . . . a 3-to-1 advantage for Bama. However if you go by the "anybody calls you champion and you're champion" standards, then Bama has 12 and LSU has 6 . . . a 2-to-1 advantage for Bama. Mo' bettah. :wink:
Terry may come by and give his indepth knowledge. I can understand about 1941, but don't really understand the questions of the other 11. One could always substitute 1966 for 1941, but we don't (so that legitimizes 41 for me). As for being awarded the MNC before the bowl games, I don't think that is right. But it is what it is. It takes away some of the glamour of the game if you are already the NC, what did those bowl teams have to lose (already NC). It is what it is. Below is from another. I had the same argument a few months back with an annoying Auburn friend, so I ended up putting together the below information and emailed it to him and he hasn’t said anything to me about it since (except I also ran through the same drill with all of Auburn's football teams because he was claiming that they could claim a lot more than just 1 title if they wanted to). I cobbled the info together from a few different places, but www.cfbdatawarehouse.com was very helpful. By the way, I’ve been lurking here since 2001, but only registered a few days ago. Since I thought I actually had something to contribute to the discussion for once, I figured now is as good a time as any for a first post. Background: Click here for the NCAA’s site which lists who won the national championship based on various polls that they recognize. The NCAA’s website lists 17 years in which polls they recognize have deemed UA the NC. The AP poll was not around until 1936 and awarded its champion prior to bowl games until 1965. The coaches poll (the UPI) was not around until 1950 and did not include bowl games until 1974. From what I can gather, the AP and UPI were not the primary polls like they are today until about the 1950s or 1960s. Because of that, prior to then, there are a number of years in which more than one school can legitimately claim a NC. Our 12 National Championships: 1925- Alabama went 10-0 and only gave up 26 points the whole season. The NCAA site shows that 8 of the 10 polls chose Alabama as the NC, with 2 choosing Dartmouth (8-0). 1926- Alabama went 9-0-1. The tie was in the Rose Bowl to Stanford. The NCAA site shows that 6 polls chose Alabama as the NC, 3 chose Stanford (also 9-0-1), 2 chose Navy (also 9-0-1) and 1 chose Lafayette. 1930- Alabama went 10-0 with a win in the Rose Bowl and only gave up 13 points the entire season. Alabama shares this NC with Notre Dame who also went 10-0. 1934- Alabama went 10-0 with a win in the Rose Bowl. Alabama shares this NC with Minnesota who went 8-0. 1941- Alabama went 9-2. This one is questionable. Minnesota went 8-0, and every NCAA recognized poll deemed them the champion with the exception of one. 1961- Alabama went 11-0. AP and UPI NC. 1964- Alabama went 10-1 AP and UPI NC. The sole loss came in the bowl game that didn’t factor into the polls. 1965- Alabama went 9-1-1. AP NC. Michigan State was the UPI National Champion. Alabama’s loss was in the first game of the year and the tie was in the fourth game. Michigan State, Arkansas and Nebraska all finished 10-1, but all three lost their bowl game, and Alabama beat Nebraska in the bowl game. Michigan St was the UPI NC because the UPI still awarded the NC before bowl games. This was the first year that the AP awarded the NC after the bowls. 1973- Alabama went 11-1. UPI NC. The only loss coming in the bowl game, and the UPI still awarded the NC before bowl games. Notre Dame was the AP NC. 1978- Alabama went 11-1. USC went 12-1. Alabama was the AP NC. USC was the UPI NC. Even though USC did beat Alabama head to head, Alabama finished higher in the AP because Alabama’s loss to USC was earlier in the season than USC’s sole loss later in the season. 1979- Alabama went 12-0. AP and UPI NC. 1992- Alabama went 13-0. AP and UPI NC Times Alabama finished with loss records better or equal to the NC: 1931- 9-1. USC finished 10-1 and was the consensus NC. 1936- 8-0-1. Minnesota finished 7-1 and was the AP NC. Alabama was the only team to finish without a loss. 1937- 9-1. Pittsburgh finished 9-0-1 and was the AP NC. Alabama’s sole loss was in the bowl game, which did not count in the AP poll. Pittsburgh’s tie came in the regular season. 1945- 10-0. Army was 9-0 and was the AP champion. 1966- 11-0. Notre Dame finished 9-0-1 and was the AP and UPI NC. We all know the story with this one. 1971- 11-1. Alabama finished the regular season undefeated and lost the bowl game. Nebraska finished 13-0 and was the consensus AP and UPI NC. Since the UPI NC was still awarded prior to the bowl game, Alabama was also undefeated at that time. 1975- 11-1. Oklahoma finished 11-1 and was the AP and UPI NC. Alabama’s loss was in the first game of the year. Oklahoma’s loss was in the ninth game of the year. 1977- 11-1. Notre Dame finished 11-1 and was the AP and UPI NC. Both UA and Notre Dame lost in the second week of the season.
I really like the site posted by luv-Tide. Based upon data presented there, and the logic being used in this thread, Notre Dame picks up 6 more NC's in 89 and 93. Gotta Love That!
