Five questions non-Muslims would like answered.

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    it isnt superior intelligence. part of it is luck. my parents are not hardcore into indoctrinating. they just sort of go with the flow and play along.

    dont you see that if you had been adopted by jewish parents as an infant you would not care about jesus? do you not see that what you believe is virtually as forced upon as your eye color?

    i dont lie awake at night pretending i know answers to questions i cant actually know, or drawing conclusions from nothing.

    tirk is correct. i cant make myself believe in magic, just because other people do, or they have a book of urban legends. its not that i dont want to believe so i can be mr smartyhead. its that i cant believe in something merely because others can imagine it.

    some people believe in tv psychics. what people believe is of no consequence.

    dont worry sabanfan, when you lose your faith, you will not have to be worried all the time that you might be wrong. you accept your state and live in reality. just dont tell your family you dont believe in magic anymore.
     
  2. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I just want to be there the day the Dome of the Rock crumbles. I would also like to play a role in rebuilding King Solomon's Temple. What a day that will be. I tried to get a bunch of fellow Marines to attack the Rock with me a few years ago. No one would bite. Oh well, maybe another day.
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    since we all agree islam is a murderous and terrible thing, we cant really get any different views.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Islam, at its roots has very noble goals as most religions do. The trouble is with the muslims themselves. It should be remembered that for every well-educated arab sheik with a degree from Stanford, there are about a half-million muslims that are uneducated, unemployed, raised by women that are even more illiterate and get most of their information from holy men who have memorized the Koran but can't read a newspaper.

    These boys just ain't very bright. They can't even practice their religion properly. One of the reasons they are so eager to fight and so hard to deal with is that they don't know what the hell is going on. Nothing they do makes sense.
     
  5. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I don't think the problem is Islam. I think the problem is the ethnicity of Muslims. The Turks and Arabs were vicious and warlike for all eternity. They killed Christians and Jews long before there was an Islam. We need some more Crusades. The Crusades were the last time in history that the world as a whole stood up and told the Muslims to behave. We let them get away with too much in the last 800 years. Where is Vlad the Impaler when you need him?
     
  6. USMTiger

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    Ah, but you are very mistaken about Islam having nobel goals. It was never intended to be a universal, peacefull, civilization advancing religion. If you go by the Koran and the teachings on Mohamed, Islam only has noble goals for males who follow Islam. The infedels be damned. They have to pay "dhimmi" or tribute to the religious authorities, and cease to practice their own religion in order to be accepted by Muslim society. And oh yeah, better not be gay or a woman. The penalty for being gay is either being hung, thrown off of a tall tower, or being stoned.


    Are they not practicing their religion properly, and you, as a westerner, know much better? Or is it just perhaps the other way around?
     
  7. USMTiger

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    That's just silly. Just because alot of people believe it doesn't make it true or even conceivable.

    Examples:

    The Earth is the center of the Universe.
    The Earth is flat.
    Disease is caused by bad blood.

    All of these concepts were universal truths back in the day, and only a handful of people believed otherwise.


    Here's a challenge for you: produce one shred of evidence that the God described in the Bible exists, other than "alot of people believe it" or "it was written in an archaic piece of literature".

    You can't do it. Nobody alive has ever seen God. Nobody has ever touched him. Nobody has ever seen him.

    Faith is not proof, it is a belief.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    right. with religions, nobody can claim they know the "true" way of the religion. there is no such thing. like i said before, it is like arguing over which is the real route of santa claus. anyone can say anything, and there is no reality to judge by.

    if people say allah told them to kill, how do we know that isnt true? who are we to define real islam?
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, one of us is mistaken. Read my post. I said Islam has very noble goals but that the islamists don't practice it very well. Don't take my word for it, here are the goals of islam from their own website:

    From Islamonline.net

    "The religion of Islam is a comprehensive system of life, completed by Allah through the medium of sending the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to all mankind. The philosophy that underlines the legislation of Islam is that of perfect balance between individual and collective responsibility. In other words, there are individual duties and there are societal duties, and the two go hand in hand. Humans are social beings by nature, and as such must be integrated into societies. For this reason, scholars of old have said that rectification of the world lies in two important elements: a system that governs society as a whole, and components of the same system that result in individual peace."

    See, noble goals. But this peaceful Islam is not practiced that way by the illiterate masses of muslims.
     
  10. martin

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    red, what are you talking about? i am sure murderous muslims can unearth some website too, what does that have anything to do with anything. religions are whatever people say they are.

    when one muslim says one thing, and another says something different, how are we supposed to know who is right? you cant, the whole things is made up!

    islam doesnt have noble goals anymore than santa claus wears a red suit. people say he does, but in terms of reality, so what?
     

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