FINALLY! Our whorish mainstream media reports on the memo

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  1. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    The Fourth Amendment guarantee against illegal searches and seizures is what most people base the "right to privacy" provision on.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i would like specific things that the patriot is act is doing to violate our privacy. i have read that using the patriot act has helped defuse a bombing the brooklyn bridge. i do not know if that is true, but i do know all the complaints i have heard about the patriot act have been empty and vague or slippery slope, which i never buy.

    still waiting on specifics of what i should be up in arms about.

    also, people like to say that quote that is something like "those who give up privacy/freedom for security deserve neither"

    well thats real nice dumbasses, but there definitely is a sacrifice to be made to be secure. and there is a level of freedom we have to give up to be secure. hopefully it isnt very much, like submitting our car to search at the holland tunnel or walking through more metal detectors or whatever, but nevertheless it has to be done. there is a trade-off, even if we dont like to admit it. after september 11th, guys with machine guns would stop me in the street for no reason and ask for ID. thats certainly an annoyance. but i am not a whiny bitch and i understand what is happening. we have to trust our government to keep us safe, and they will need information on us. thats fine with me. i do not suspect a conspiracy that is out to get me.

    if i want to not trust the government on something, it will be spending and taxes. i know they want to take my money and waste it. but for the most part they do not want to violate our privacy for no reason and blame it on security. besides, some sacrifices are worth making if it means we dont get blown up.
     
  3. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    No sh#t,

    If someone gets blown up, then they are not doing what they should to protect us. It's the governments fault. Until then, they are just trampling all over our freedoms. People can be so stupid.
     
  4. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    I find that a lot of these people who oppose the Patriot Act on the grounds
    that it "abrogates the Constitution" and "restricts personal freedoms" are the very same people who would, in an instant, seize the weapons of every law-abiding gun-owner in this country if the Second Amendment were interpreted to THEIR liking. Apparently they favor the individual liberties that fit into their agenda over others.

    Then again, some people just have to have SOMETHING to bitch about.
    :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Where exactly do you find these people? Nobody on this thread has said anything about gun control. Why divert attention from the issue by painting anybody who points out some problems in the Patriot Act with some other brush? Who in this thread has said they wish to "seize the weapons of every law-abiding gun-owner in this country". No one.

    I actually think the Patriot Act has merit in fighting terrorism, but it was enacted hastily and may need modifications as time goes by. There is the potential for abuse by government agencies. The key is for the lawmakers and the judiciary to achieve proper balance between increased national security and decreased individual rights. This may require some changes. The balance point may have to move from time to time as circumstances indicate.

    I think the Patroit Act needs fixing. In no way am I against private gun ownership. The issues aren't linked in any fashion.

    Funny you should mention that . . . :yelwink2:
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Yeah, they should have at least waited until that big hole in lower Manhattan cooled down.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    My point, which you missed, is that the Act was done hastily because it had to be. But in doing so, a broad brush was used. Now there is time to refine the details so that it can do what it was intended without also doing a bunch of things that were unintended. What's the problem with that?

    I suppose you think the Patriot Act is perfect, unblemished in any way, and the product of genius. It will stand throughout time and never need changing as circumstances change. Sure.

    You've been around long enough to know better than that.
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I didn't miss your point. I just artfully edited your post in order to justify my response. I hoped you wouldn't catch it. :)

    How do you do that quote inside a quote thing?
     
  9. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    When you quote you get the tags printed so you can type [ quote=someone ][ /quote ] - (without spaces) each time to increase levels of nesting.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I just tried it and it worked. :grin:
     

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