FINALLY! Our whorish mainstream media reports on the memo

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  1. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    But liberals will tell you that we disgusting imperialist Americans have never accomplished anything.
     
  2. MFn G I M P

    MFn G I M P Founding Member

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    What is that guy in Iraq smashing?
     
  3. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    The pedestal that the statue of saddam was standing on.

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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course not. We would be hearing the same BS from the right just like we did during 8 years of the Clinton administration. The right did not back Clinton's wars in Bosnia and Kosovo. The right wing extremists were against everything he did, even though the economy prospered, budget surpluses were posted, he tried to kill bin Ladin twice, the millenium bombing plot was foiled, and we won wars cheaply through airpower with little or no loss of life. The rightists tried and failed to overthrow the results of two elections with the Whitewater persecution and the impeachment farce.

    This is politics as usual. The party on the outside always bitches and moans about the current administration.
     
  5. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Oh red, come on now. You are kidding right. I was there, bosnia and kosovo, Albania, War? We called them the clinton wars. whatever.

    I served the entire clinton admin. and I will admit that we hated him. If you think that the level of dessent durring the clinton years any way shape or form comes close to the anti american bashing and hatefulness that we see and hear today from the left, then you red, are a fool. Wake up, there is no way you can compare this to that. No way whatsoever. I know you are smarter than that red.

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  6. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    CLASSIC! if you believe anything other than what fits my agenda, then you're simply a fool! the name 'kenneth star' mean anything to you? besides, W has gotten us into WAY more trouble than clinton could ever dream of. i'd say he's earned it.

    wrong. a more oblivious statement has never been spoken. i am NOT a liberal, and it does NOT take a liberal to oppose the war. that kind of warped, polarized thinking is crippling this country. i voted for bush in '00, and supported him until i was finally able to figure out what a douche he was. so no, i dislike bush because of the war. deal with it or go cry about it to someone who cares.

    'mountains of proof'? hahaha. all we want is a SHRED of proof that justifies this war. supposedly we were going to march right in there and unveil these vast mountains you speak of. they must be not looking in the right places, b/c it's been over 2 years and they've not uncovered a pebble of evidence, much less a freaking mountain.

    wow. just freaking wow. that is a litany of about as ignorant and brainwashed of a load of grade-A propaganda bullsh!t as one could possibly dream up. it might kill some of you to actually think for yourselves, outside of the little box that sean hannity traps you into. i know, it's much easier for you to buy it all. it makes you feel morally superior to those who oppose the war by characterizing them all as evil bastards who want terrorism to flourish, old ppl to die, and for gays to run the world. that makes things much easier on your conscience. it is obvious that you don't have the first freaking CLUE as to what these issues are like 'through my eyes', and I sincerely pity you for actually believing any of it. Further, I dare you to try and substantiate it. Go ahead, I need another good laugh.

    immoral? what in the hell do you know about my 'morals'? how well do you know me? How well do you know any ‘liberals’, much less great numbers of them, so that you can make an assessment about all of their morals? further, what's that got to do political affiliation? This whole do-gooder, moral high-horse crap that the righties are spewing is as incredibly pathetic and humiliating (to our system of government) political strategy. It’s actually incredibly ironic b/c we find ourselves battling religious/moral fanatics everyday. All these Islamic fundamentalists truly believe that they are morally right. Yet people continue to buy it because they can justify anything the republicans say or do without having to think about it (yay!) on the basis that it’s ‘moral’. Since when are politicians so closely tied to right and wrong? And since when is it morally justified to send thousands of brave Americans to kill and/or be killed on false premises? Do you know what a demagogue is? You should because you’ve probably got one of their bumper stickers on your truck.

    socialist? excuse me? i'm willing to bet that i'm twice the fiscal conservative you are, pal, and a hell of a lot more than that W fella. did you realize that he's already outspent the clinton admin by over 30%? conservative my ass.

    Canada? Do you realize how little violence actually occurs in their society compared to ours? Do you realize how little of a chokehold their pharmaceutical industry has on their healthcare as compared to ours? Yes, we could learn a couple of things from our neighbors to the north.

    Israel and jews are evil? Well here’s an interesting little quagmire for ya. Hollywood and the media are said to be run by jews. Those same two entities are also said to be invariably biased to the left. Care to explain that one? Would you also care to explain how most jews in the US are democrats? Joe Liebermann ring a bell?

    Hillary, bill, george, dick, al gore…everyone of them is an utter embarrassment to our country. The idea that either Clinton or bush were the ‘best’ candidates that we could find is untrue and sickening. But, in clinton’s favor, he was the only president to accrue a national surplus since the depression…whereas the ‘conservative’ W continues to set the debt record everyday.

    F9/11…the movie that 97.3% of conservatives haven’t seen but still have an opinion on. Interesting.

    Stopping illegal immigration is racism? Try again. I fully support the minuteman project. I believe that troops need to come home from the middle east and be placed on our borders. Homeland security means nothing if you can’t secure your own border.

    Christianity is evil? No, ANY religion is dangerous (and can lead to evil) when it works its way into a government, or is forced on others outside of that particular faith. ‘freedom of religion’ also means ‘freedom from religion’.

    Islam is the religion of peace? That’s perhaps the least substantiated statement of them all. Please tell me where you get your information, that’s the first I’ve heard of it. I’ve never heard anyone say that.

    Abstinence as a 4-letter word? So then no republican has premarital sex, and all democrats encourage it? I hope you don’t actually fall for this. Again, explain what this has to do with politics, or where you acquired such info.

    Senior citizens are expendable in ‘their’ eyes? They must be looking through the same eyes as bush, given that his budget for 2006 entails cutting $788million in healthcare. The Medicaid cuts put forth by W are equal to the cost of providing health coverage of 1.8million children, or 345,000 senior citizens. ‘compassionate’ conservative my rosy red ass.

    Homosexuality…how much do you know about this? how many gay people are you friends with, or how many do you even know? Ask any of them if they chose to be gay. To think that an individual would choose to subject themselves to the hardships of such an orientation is completely ignorant. Then do a little research on the possibility of chromosomal mutation in homosexuals.

    American military are lawless murderers? No, that would be their boss, who also murders them as well.

    It’s been proven time and again that saddam completely lacked the capability to harm anyone outside of his own country. I wish this weren’t the case, so that we wouldn’t look like a bunch of a$holes, and so that we could salvage a shred of dignity and credibility.

    George bush is too dumb to be the devil. He’s only a figure head. John Ashcroft, on the other hand…

    Now, let me regurgitate the list of retarded statements you made, only I’ll replace what you said with what the left frequently says about the right.

    You might laugh at these statements. But the fact that their not right-wing assertions makes them no less valid than the list you sputtered out.

    Like I said, you wish things were that black and white. Take off your blinders, there’s a whole other world for you to see.

    if any of these individuals were president, we woulldn't be in this war, period.
     
  7. Mystikalilusion

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    Canada is a good role model in their eyes NO
    Israel and the Jews are evil in their eyes NO
    Hillary and Bill are the second coming in their eyes YES
    Movies like fahrenheit 911 are entertaining in their eyes YES (come on, don't make me post the Bush quote to show you what a moron we have running the country)
    Stopping illegal immigration is racism in their eyes NO
    Christianity is dangerous in their eyes NO (Only the extremists are dangerous as with anything, including Frisby players)
    Islam is the religion of peace in their eyes :hihi: NO
    Abstinence is a four letter word in their eyes TBD, WTF does that mean?
    Senior citizens are expendable in their eyes NO (umm, hello, the party trying to care for senior citizens, geez)
    Homosexuality is a race in their eyes (ie white, black, and homos) NO
    The American military are a bunch of lawless murderers in their eyes NO (but it is funny how the post on TF about the sick individual that is anti-US troops is flamed but the post on TF about Bush making a pun about the dead US troops has no responses)
    Saddam was no threat to us or the rest of the world in their eyes YES
    President Bush is the devil in their eyes NO (he's just really, really retarded)
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, I guess we each have an opinion on who is a fool here. No, I am not kidding. We bombed the crap out of Serbia over the Kosovo issue and they gave it up and their president is now being tried for war crimes. It was a war by anybody's standards and the US suffered Zero casualties for the only time in US history.

    And yes, Clinton tried to kill Osama twice with cruise missile strikes in Afghanistan after the Sudan embassy bombings and the USS Cole bombing. Unfortunately, our good "friends" in Pakistan (whom our missiles overflew) warned OBL and he escaped. The Millenium Bombing Plot, which was terror on a 9/11 scale, was thwarted under Clintons's watch. Osama was not even on Bush's radar until 9/11 (see the (9/11 commission report).

    You are not being honest or you are wearing blinders if you really think there was no bashing of Clinton from the right. The republican congress even appointed a special prosecutor who tried to get rid of him but failed to produce any evidence on Whitewater. Right-wing media like Limbaugh almost blew a gasket bitching about Clinton.

    And you're being disingenious when you accuse anybody who disagrees with your opinion of being Anti-American. In your worldview, anybody who thinks that this war in Iraq was a political mistake that has weakened America instead of strengthening her, must be "hateful" and "anti-American", not very smart, and "a fool". You really should read the Constitution. This is what a democracy is all about. There are always two sides to every issue and if you don't realize this, it speaks more about your bias than mine. Some of us are smarter than you think and have valid points to make.

    We don't have to show personaly loyalty to a president in America, only to the country. Presidents come and go and some aren't very good. This president is not serving my country effectively, and I have every right as an American citizen to speak up about it. I don't mind if you disagree, but you have no right whatsoever to accuse every person who disagrees with you of being anti-war and un-American.

    Go back and read my posts and you'll find that I have not made one anti-American statement nor have I ever been anti-war. I have supported almost all of our wars including Afghanistan. I have voted for Republicans, included Bush in 2000. What I am is anti-stupid war. Vietnam and Lebanon only weakened us, we gained nothing in return, and we had to quit without victory because no victory was possible. Iraq will lead to the same result and I don't like it. So I say so.

    Look Salty, I agree there is a lot of needless bitching and moaning from the left during this administration. My point is that it is absurd to imagine that the right didn't do the very same things when the situation was reversed. The history of it is there to be studied. This is politics as usual and it has happened this way throughout American history.
     
  9. TigerFan23

    TigerFan23 USMC Tiger

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    Slow your role there, pal. Ask somebody in the military if they believe President Bush is murdering them and you'll get a different answer. It's funny, people go on and on about how "Bush is sending our children to die", and yet, it seems the ones who don't believe that are the ones who are actually at risk of dying over in Iraq and Afghanistan. I for one believe it's a crock of sh!t and I know that if I happen to give the ultimate sacrifice in combat, my family sure as hell wouldn't blame it on President Bush, nor would I.
     
  10. martin

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    right, people seem to forget that our army is made up of people who have volunteered for the profession of soldier. soldiers are fighters, that is what they signed up for.

    i am not saying that the we should fight for unjust causes and screw over our soldiers, just that our soldiers are not naive children we are sending off to get killed. thats what michal moore always says when he is trying to pull off some cheap emotional argument. he would rather list the names of the dead and try to make you cry than celebrate the accomplishments of the military.

    i dont like when people resort to the stuff you cant help but be sad over and distract the national dialogue from what is happening. it is cheap. i am aware that people die in wars.

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    is what i mean. look, michael moore cares about our children. he is a good man, just look at him. lets not be realistic about things, cry for a while, then never send anyone to war ever.
     

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