And Nick is ZERO percent there at this point, yet he is annointed as the Next Coming. Les Miles simply gets no respect. If Les wins the national friggin' championship this year, Nick will get the credit. :lol: Yes it will. Meanwhile, the verdict must stay out on Nick for the next four years and any success he has in the next three years doesn't count because he did it with Shula's players. :grin:
Why are the bama faithfull so sure he's a Coker? because they're terrified that he may be a Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, or Barry Switzer. And Terry, please don't tell me that bama fans aren't running Miles and LSU down, i've been to the other sites. It amazes me how smug they can be, looking there noses down on a program that's dropped 4 staight beat downs on them. I think it's because they desperately want to believe that it's all saban. If I had spent 32 million on him, I'd probably be the same way. But winning in one place does not guarentee winning somewhere else, every university is different. Lack of championships? Yeah, such a failure, HE'S BEEN HERE TWO YEARS!! No wonder Francione hauled a**
Oh hell, I remember people talking about Stallings winning with Curry's players. Yes, there will be a contingent saying that. You know, Stoops was brought up earlier with a reference to him winning with John Blake's players. I looked at the roster a few years ago (their NC team) and there was a significant amount of impact from players he (Stoops) brought in. We'll have to admit. Winning a couple of SECC's and an NC in the SEC is a bit different from beating OU a few times in the Big 12. Likewise, comparing OSU and LSU is a stretch, IMO. See above.
You've touched on a few points here, randomly. If you look at what I posted, I said people I've talked with and read their comments. By no means am I trying to elevate myself above the fan base as a whole, but I have realized who to listen to, who to talk with, and most importantly, who to ignore when surfing a lot of Bama forums. Fact is, there are very few Bama forums (public) I post on today. Why? You've slightly touched on the reason. I suppose, it may be close to comparing some of the stuff you see people drop on another LSU forum as compared to this one. When I mentioned the lack of championships it would appear some of the LSU fan base feels the same way. Heck, on this very forum you see people talking about the possibility of under-acheiving the last few years. Funny you should bring fRan into it. In fact, it really is fitting. The very thing fRan didn't care for is the very thing Saban relishes. With fRan, he wanted the position, the *title* of being on the national scene, but didn't want the attention that comes with it. Saban, on the other hand, wants to be seen right in the middle of it all. It's evidenced by many things...the most recent his role and how he handled his position during the scrimmage. Last but not least, why do they compare/think Miles may be Coker redux? I couldn't tell you for sure. Their first two years at the helm are similiar.
Yes, the combination of Nick Saban, LSU football, and Louisiana talent was very productive. The chance of Nick repeating that success at Bama is "a bit different", don't you think? And the comparison of Les at OSU with Nick at LSU is unsuitable. Is should be obvious that the proper comparison of Les at OSU equals Nick's MSU stint where both had a 56-57% winning record at the #2 state school in a BCS conference? Or you can compare Nick first two years at LSU with Les' two years where both have succeeded with Nick getting a SECCG in year 2 and with Les having a better record (85%), a BCS bowl, and two top-5 finishes.
on the other hand, it just be that nick was the beneficiary of the "planets aligning" when he was hired at LSU. let's examine his career coaching record: according to Wikipedia Yearly coaching results College career YearTeamOverallConferenceBowl Game1990Toledo9-27-1None1995Michigan State6-5-14-3-1Independence1996Michigan State6-65-3Sun1997Michigan State7-54-4Aloha1998Michigan State6-64-4None1999Michigan State9-26-2Citrus*2000LSU8-45-3Peach2001LSU10-36-3**Sugar2002LSU8-55-3Cotton2003LSU13-18-1**Sugar***2004LSU9-36-2Capital One2007Alabama0-00-0TOTALS91-42-160-29-1* Saban resigned on November 30, 1999, Citrus Bowl coached by Bobby Williams ** Includes win in SEC Championship Game *** BCS National Champions National Football League YearTeamOverallFinishPlayoffs2005Miami Dolphins9-72nd AFC EastNone2006Miami Dolphins6-104th AFC EastNoneTOTALS15-17 25-24-1 at Michigan St, 16 conference losses in 5 yrs. 48-16 at LSU, 12 conference losses in 5 yrs. 15-17 at Miami Dolphins the bottom line here is that saban in a good coach. not a genius, certainly not a football "god". he will upgrade the program at alabama, although not by the expectations that 32 mil brings. even with the 13-1 :crystal: year, over a 10 yr period, he averaged nearly 3 conference losses a year. the road at bama will be harder, especially in-state. saban will have some recruiting success in Louisiana, but will be forced to cast his net farther & farther. the spring game at bama may be the most success the gumps enjoy this year. expectations in may will be quickly forgotten as the reality of september sets in. you've got a good coach. we do do. that old saw about miles winning with saban's talent is getting old. the fact that miles has done a better job with the talent on hand than saban did is telling. sit back gumps and repeat the mantra over and over that saban is god. you have 32 million reasons plus the credibility of your institution at stake. good luck.
F-baum has failed to say anything worthwhile about football on any level, but in his defense, he has done his job quite well. His only purpose is to generate hits, comments, readers for his articles. Every thread we start here or perpetuate merely makes him smile. He is about as relevant to LSU football as Bama football is right now. Not much more than a speedbump. It will be fun to see how much bs he generates as we continue to succeed but, we really should send him to the trash pile and forget about him.
Red, the only thing I would quibble with there is that it's probably more appropriate to compare Saban's last 2 years with Miles's first 2. It's no secret that when Saban arrived, there was some talent but the roster overall was depleted and lacked depth. But the big thing is the facilities improvements which Saban practically willed the LSU admin to do. Those continue to benefit us. Anyway, the comparison of 2003-04 vs. 2005-06 ends up still being pretty similar overall despite the BCS title year. I agree with the point made elsewhere that there is a skew in the current national media perception of coaches taking over successful programs because of what happened with Coker. It's such a recent and dramatic collapse that people are overvaluing the lesson learned. Miami has subpar facilities from what I understand, and is actually a fairly small school with a smaller athletic budget than most of the big SEC and other state schools. In other words, but for the location UM could be Tulane.
