I think that's the case in point. If he were a better QB coach, JLee might still be the starter. Both QBs that he's had to work with and were not coached under Fisher have struggled mightily with the mental aspect of the game, and neither have showed any measurable improvement to this point.

I disagree. Offensive improvement won't be all on the shoulders of JJ, an improved running game will help immensely.

Second, there are no world-beaters in the SEC this year. Bama and Florida lost a lot of star talent, and not even almighty Saban and Meyer will reload that quickly and have them rolling like they've been the past 2 years. Remember they also have to play each other this year in the regular season. The SEC will have a lot of good, but not elite teams, and I see no reason why an improved offense from last year combined with a solid defense wouldn't be enough to win it.

Did John just post something I actually agree with?

When one of them is the starter in consecutive years, we'll discuss. Until then, I'm withholding judgement on his ability to "develop" a QB. Like I said, I don't necessarily disagree...but we do not have enough to go on right now. He's never had a guy in his second starting season here yet!
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***again, not an endorsement of CGC. I think he is MUCH more of the problem than CLM.

I know, huh! Gonna be a wierd season...:lol:

To me, the fact that he can't take someone with such a wicked arm and beautiful mechanics like Jarret Lee and turn them into a serviceable QB speaks volumes. The only offense that he's coached at LSU that has lived up to its potential was lead by a student of Jimbo.

As I've said before, Miles didn't win with Saban's players; Crowton won with Jimbo's players.

Don't get me wrong; I'd love nothing more for Gary Crowton to prove me 100% wrong. But I don't think it's unfair to assert that coaching QBs is his weak point with the evidence that does exist.

didnt say it would all be on his shoulders just that he would create more of a vertical passing game due to improvement. it would be almost impossible to not have an improved passing game down field.

we often have multiple unknowns in the sec who end up being world-beaters. Ask Auburn. being an unknown and unranked cost them a mnc (pending).


maybe it will be us but it will take a huge, gigantic, gargantuan leap forward on offense if its going to happen. we were one confused lot last year and not from simply a lack of a running game.

I agree, I think JJ is due for a break out year and I think 2010 is the Year. Our Schedule is lined up for a great season. We open up on neutral ground, against a team who the college football world is claiming to have 7 defensive starters potentially going in the 1st round of the NFL draft next year(???). We come out, run it down their throat, move the football with our speed 7 depth, lock down Yates & make Butch doubt his QB all over again. Start the season strong with a win over a ranked team.

Week 2 – BAM right into Conference play, smash Vandy, Smash Miss St. – Get battle tested & ready against Tenn. & WV – Then we head to the swamp to teach Myer & the Gator Nation, that payback is a B!tch!!! At this point LSU is on Everybody’s Radar, especially ole Nick Saban, he may be watching us more than he is his own film (Exaggeration)

Then we have a pay off game against McNeese, get prepped for Auburn, hold it down and it’s a week off to focus on Bama & PERFECTION!

I cant tell you guys how excited I am about this season. I feel better going in to this year than I have in a while, even after the spring game.

Because now, its not just about remaining the top dog, its about putting some people’s feet in their own mouth while smacking others directly in it.

Our Men are Fired up, all this talk about JJ holding us back, about our O-Line not getting a push, our D-line having no pass rush…… if that cant motivate these guys to drop the hammer every damn snap, then I dont know what can???.

I mean, Saturday night in death valley, charging out of the tunnel while jamming to eye of the tiger!!!!!!!!!!!!! How the Hell can you NOT want to rip some heads off.All I am asking of my tigers this year.....IS PLAY HARD, PLAY WITH HEART, WIN OR LOSE , PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION!!!

Seeing how you point to experience as being a very important factor, the age of which JJ was put in charge of the O or even team, as most QB's are, does play a very big factor.

Yes it is a FACT that a good number of college players are 19-20, however, most majority of GOOD college players are Juniors or Seniors age 21+ and it is because of the extra years under a system, or even time to mature more, that they are better players. Less likely to make the dumb silly mistakes that MOST young players make.

I couldn’t say it enough that age is a very big factor in key positions. There will always be an exception; however, it is a small percent of young guys that just get it at such a young age, i.e Sheppard! Though, every player is not a Sheppard and we all know that. There are very few players that shine from the start, or at least, we would have less numbers of those guys compared to the number of great players that matured each year until they graduated.
With all things considered, JJ is fine and LSU doesn’t need a 6 star QB to win a title, EXAMPLE 2003 and 2007. They were average by NCAA standards, but managed the game, no huge mistakes and TEAM LEADERS. That’s all JJ needs to work on IMO.

i didn't read through the thread yet as i didn't want the other posts to skew what i wanted to say about all of this. i think that it speaks VOLUMES of the state of our program when we can have the, what, 112th ranked offense and still only lose four games with the competition we're up against? c'mon now, that's saying something, isn't it? i never really understood why so many people want to bad mouth jordan jefferson so much when he performed pretty damn well even as a friggin' true sophomore! i remember in the past when we had to wait for QBs like herb tyler, marcus randall, rohan davey, josh booty, jamarcus russell, matt mauck, etc to go through an entire season that pretty much equated to horsesh!t just so they would get to their junior or senior season able to put up numbers somewhat comparable to what jordan jefferson has already put up. the complete team, as it stands right now, is heads and shoulders above the days of mediocrity, or worse, when we'd be ecstatic to simply become bowl eligible!

when nick saban came around, he had the benefit of a fairly weak SEC schedule during his first couple of seasons, there is no doubt about it. i'm not trying to belittle what he accomplished because he made LSU a household name again and we have pretty much been there for the last decade. but right here, and right now, however, the SEC is as strong and balanced as it has ever been, it takes more than a mediocre team to breeze through the SEC. you need not only a stout defense, but a stout defense that can adjust on the fly, read offenses and make adjustments mid-play. you need an offense that is not only effective while being deceptive and baby-butt-smooth in operation, it needs to be able to adjust to the defense that is adjusting to your offense. the game is a LOT more complex in scheming than it was just a decade ago. the offenses have become so multi-faceted that you cannot rely on simply having a good passing game and a good running game -- you need to be able to run, throw, catch and block in a myriad of ways on the fly.

if all of that isn't tough as it is, the OOC schedule and longer schedules in general have made the game even more demanding. some of us die-hard fans understand this, some are just starting to understand it and there are those of you who are still stuck in the 90s and have a difficult time understanding it at all. all of this is now happening at the collegiate level. the overall intelligence of athletes (or humans in general) hasn't really improved much since then -- that is simple genetics and evolution, it takes a LOT longer to see improvement and changes in human beings. this game is so much more complex these days that as simple fans, we become somewhat clueless at times.

maybe none of this really has a lot to do with jordan jefferson as a QB, per se, but i think it does have a lot to do with the team and how we will do this season and the next few. college football is getting to be where you HAVE to have talented players, great coaches, and great schemes just to stay on the same field as the top-tier teams. the fact that LSU takes every team they play to the wire is a very encouraging sign for the near future. we're not getting blown-out by 40 points like we have in the past, and if our offense continues to gel and improve as a unit -- the sky is the limit.

it's hard to make predictions on the win/losses for the season, but i don't think that there is any way in the world we regress in any area next season (possibly the defensive line, but that's probably the "easiest" deficit to overcome on defense considering the level of talent and speed that we have on that side of the ball.) but it is a real possibility that we improve dramatically this season and end up with even more losses than last!! unfortunately, that is just how things are.

in the end, i think that if we show up every game and can run our plays without that meerkat offense and everyone is on somewhat of the same page, we have enough talent to be able to put up amazing numbers. defensively, i think we will be faster and have better pass coverage. the pass rush "D" needs to improve, but i think that we'll be stout enough to not get into too deep of a hole. We need to be able to stuff the run, and i think that will more than likely be our achilles' heel -- which isn't a good thing. but teams aren't going to want to throw against us often, so if we stack the box, i think we're athletic enough to stop huge gains.

like we saw last season, there won't be much of a difference in output between 5 losses or 1 loss. there is very, very little room for error considering the schedule. that is why i think most of us here will be happy as long as we compete and appear to be well-coached and well-versed in our execution.

and.... jeez, if anyone read all of that, i will buy you at least 6 beers if i ever see you out. i think i have probably had quite a few too many as it is by now anyway.... :redface:
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