Evangelicals Can Be Incredibly Strange

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, I've been busy with class.

Sure, "naga" can mean to lie with a woman sexually, it can also mean "to strike, to reach/extend/attain to, to be stricken, to approach, to cause to touch." Why do you believe that it definitely means to lie with a woman when there are many other ways it can be translated? If you read it in context Genesis 3:3 says

Eat is the Hebrew word "akal" and can only be translated to a word having to do with the act of physically eating something, such as devour/consume/eat. There is really no way to equate the fruit with sex based on the context of the verse.

Actually you are incorrect, according to the Strong's Concordance the Hebrew word "atseh" is only used in one place, and that is not in Genesis but Leviticus. In Genesis 3:3 the word used for tree is "ets"
It is also used in Genesis 3:6

and Genesis 3:11 and 3:12, and 3:17.

Yes they did eat something physical from a physical tree. I would love to see some more definitions and words to see what I may be missing, although I will be honest I think you are flat wrong on this one.

For this you will get no argument from me, that could very well be so and I know a good many evangelicals that believe this. I personally don't but I don't reject that it could be what happened.

Not every subject is unimportant to me, it is just that salvation is most important to me because what good does it do to teach someone the "meat" of the Bible when they aren't saved? However, once you are saved you should dive beyond the "milk' and finally get into substance. At least in my church the big sermon is usually one about salvation and the need to repent, while our Sunday School is where we get into the meat of the Bible.

 

I love this discussion.First ,the serpent in the garden was not an actual snake.The serpent is just one more of Satan's names.The son of perdition,the Serpent ,the Dragon ,Lucifer , the anti christ,the tree of knowledge of good and evil...all one being.He is a man with the character of a snake .Strongs =5175 a snake,but it is from 5172 to hiss or speak lies.Not an actual snake.


In hebrew words have a root word ,and words stem from that word.Ets 6086 is actually a word that stems from the root word for tree which is 6095 ,atsah which means an opening or closing of the eyes.6096 atseh =backbone is actually just another word for tree and it is also from 6095.Satan documents which word he is taking about" and your eyes shall be opened"
atsah not ets.

After whatever event took place God starts to dish out the punishment.First to Satan,the man with the character of a snake"I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy SEED and her SEED." What is the SEED or fruit of a man ? Sperm ,which produces offspring.

Then to the woman .I will greatly multiply thy sorrow{ translated labor pains)and thy CONCEPTION. So whatever event transpired the punishment talks of seed and labor pains and conceiving . All these things have to do with the aftermath of a sexual encounter not eating an apple.


gen ch 4 verse 1 and Adam knew Eve ,his wife and she concieved and bare Cain,and said I have gotten a man with the help of God.verse 2 and again she bare....the word for "and again" is yawseph or to continue to do a thing.When a woman is in labor and has one child and continues in labor ,she is having twins .Twins by seperate conceptions with seperate fathers. Cain's father being Satan and Abel's father being Adam .This is why you will not find Adam listed in Cains geneology in gen ch 3 ,or Cain listed in Adams genelogy in gen ch 4.He wasn't Adam's son.

 

I also enjoy this discussion and hope we can continue it without any enmity arising from our very different doctrinal beliefs.

Now I will agree with you that "Serpent" is another name for Satan as seen in Revelation 20:2 and other places, however I will disagree with you when you say that Satan wasn't in the form of a snake when he decieved Eve. In Genesis 3:1 it says

and Genesis 3:14

This to me pretty much says that the Serpent was actually Satan in the form of a wild animal/snake.

I agree with you 100% on this part of your comment, Eve had twins Cain and Abel. However, I disagree with this part

Why do you have to read into the verse that Cain isn't Adam's son? Genesis 4:1 clearly states that Adam knew Eve and Eve bore Cain, and later Abel. It says nothing of Eve being impregnated by 2 different people (which I know is possible) and to say that is to add a lot to this verse. Cain isn't listed in Adam's genealogy explicitly, Genesis 5:4 "and he begat sons and daughters:" and only explicitly mentions Seth because it was through Seth that the Israelites were descended. And Adam doesn't need to be mentioned in Cain's genealogy because it is stated earlier in the chapter that Adam was his father, and Cain's genealogy deals specifically with his being the father of the various non-jewish people.

Yes both Ets and Atseh come from the rootword Atsah, but the Hebrew version of the Bible has the word for tree used as Ets (a physical tree) and not Atseh. And on top of that the word Akal is used in conjunction with the tree and Akal can only be translated as meaning to devour. So did Eve "devour" Satan? Ma'akal is also used in conjunction with the Tree and eating and Ma'akal can only be translated to mean fruit, meat, food. It is derived from the root word Akal, to devour. So let's look at the verse that shows what Adam and Eve did to disobey God.

 

gimp, was i right about your being convinced about the truth of the bible through persosonal revelation? the sky-man contacted you via telepathy and told you the bible was his word?

 

How do you do that quote and then respond , quote , respond deal on here?


One of the biggest weaknesses of the Bibles translated into English is that it is simply transliterated and not translated.For example , the word Moses is simply translated into Moses but the meaning is lost.This is one of the ways God tries to teach us. The names of people ,towns ,cities etc have a meaning and in many cases the meaning of the name is important to understand what God is trying to tell us.The meaning of Moses is "drawn from the water", Immanuel ,"God with us,"Jeremiah ,"whom Yah hears" Kenite is another such word.Its meaning "sons of Cain".


I need to go back for just a second to explain one thing.On the sixth day God created all the races{black ,brown ,red ,white ,yellow,etc etc} and made hunters and fishermen out of them .The word that is translated into mankind is actually the word adam but it is without the article "ha" or particle "eth". It was good and God rested on the seventh day.Then...on the eighth day ,God has not yet made a man to be a husbandmen to the ground , A farmer.This is when he creates "eth Ha Adam"or The Man Adam.Through this mans seedline eventually Christ would come to save all Gods children. From one of these tribes is where Cain found a wife after he was banished into the land of nod for killing Abel.


All the races survived the flood of Noah, including 8 Adamic people, Noah and his family. Two of every flesh was aboard the Ark.How do we know they survived ? 1 chronicles chapter 2 verse 55. In this chapter the geneology of the true tribe of Judah is given. verse 55...and the families of the scribes ,which dwelt at.........these are the Kenites that came from Hemath the father of the house of Rechab.What does this mean?Ol' judah has hired a people to do their bookwork for them.The people they have hired, Kenites {translated ,sons of cain}Here are Gods children ,who now have keeping their books ,satans children.


Jeremiah ch 35 God tells Jeremiah to invite the Rechabites{these are the kenites }into the house of God and give them wine to drink .so they all come into the house of god and refuse to drink wine.Then they pretty much tell you who they are.Remember the mark that was placed on Cain,that from that day forward he wouldnt be able to grow anything,that he would be a vagabond.?These comments are from the rechabites " we shall not sow seed, nor have vineyard ,nor build house etc etc.Then they tell you that they have moved to Jeresulem for fear of the Army of the Chaldeans.What does this mean? They can now call themselves,Jews even though they are not,or to be more specific .,they can say they are of the tribe of Judah when they are of the tribe of Cain.



Matt ch 23 verse 1.And the scribes which now sit in the seat of Moses.


The scribes are back . Now they are not just keeping the books anymore ,they are sitting in Moses's seat has the lawgiver.Think about that .Here are satans children giving the law about Gods word to Gods children. Jesus ,however knew who they were." You Vipers{isnt that another name for snake}you are of your father the devil .{that word of means offspring}He was a murderer from the beggining.Who was the first murderer? Oh yeah, Cain was.He is telling them That they are the children of Cain.

I could go on with other jesus quotes to these same people ,but you should get the general idea.Also there is only one parable that Christ explains.The parable of the tares .When he begins explaining it,it is no longer a parable,it is truth.

 

I'll get to the other things later, because i'm about to go out, but to quote/respond like that all you have to do is put

 

If it's not too personal of a story and you feel like sharing, I'd like to hear more about this.