Eternal Damnation & other thoughts

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Haven't we already shot down that particular notion. How many more Bible contradictions do I have to list?
     
  2. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    The errant philosophy of Justin the Martyr... by extension, the HRCAC:



    Romans 3:28 -
    For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.


    Romans 5:1 -Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
    Galatians 2:16 -
    know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

    Galatians 3:11
    Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."


    Galatians 3:24
    So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.


    Now, the contradiction:


    James 2:24
    You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.



    This is a contradiction. Which is right? I err on the side of number of times mentioned.
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i told you a million times, i think you thouht i was kidding.

    god is so powerful that he can make an apparent contradiction true. he can make a square circle. he can make the rock so heavy he cannot lift it, and also be able to lift it easy. he can say one thing, then say the opposite and have both of them be true at the same time.

    thats what being omnipotent means.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I answered most of them in the other thread, and have since studied up on the others.

    You line em up and I'll knock em down.
     
  5. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    It is not a contradiction. Paul says faith justifies us. James says works justify faith. Works are a fruit of faith.

    Here is an example from a track I read:

    James 2:14–26 shows that works are more than mere evidence of faith. Works actually justify. James is speaking about works growing out of faith. If works of faith are not a part of our justification, then it is hard to understand why James would say, as he does, that "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?" (Jas. 2:21). You may remember how Paul said that Abraham was not justified by works but by faith. Paul means that Abraham was not justified by keeping the Old Testament law, while James means that Abraham was justified by doing a work that grew out of his faith in God.
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    yunno when the bible is translated into a new language like english, the lord, he infuses linguistic perfection into the translator so it stays perfect. for instance if i translated the good book into espanol, i would do it perfectly, even though i am imperfect. that way the spanish equivalent of our friend supafan, who is named "el stupendo fanatico" could make the same claims about how the bible is perfect and without contradiction.

    because i know translation is an imperfect art. there are not always word equivalents. unless jesus is involved, casting spells. he is up in heaven aiming his wand at the translator screaming the spell "translitera viteras!".

    this is how we can read a perfect bible without having to learn whatever language it was written in.
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Bad translations are common. I have studied the Koine Greek and Latin New Testaments. There are somethings that do not hold their meaning in English. That is just one of the many reason why we need a central authoritive church to interpret the Bible.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    really, you know enough greek and latin to make sense of this stuff?
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I had 15 hours of Latin at LSU. With guide I can sort out the Greek.
     
  10. JSracing

    JSracing Founding Member

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    give up RED, they took him 12 stories below the vatican and poured his ear full of papacy worms..they ate what objectivity he had as his screams were heard for miles.... it's hopeless. :dis:

    much the same as the poor Spainards during the Inquistion....:shock:
     

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