Eternal Damnation & other thoughts

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  1. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    I'd still like to hear the answer to this one.......

    BTW, another great post today JSracing.:thumb:
     
  2. LSUsupaFan

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    Take your time and read very slowly. So, you don't miss this.

    The Catholic Church does not teach that Jesus changed water to wine at the last supper. At the last supper Jesus Changed wine into his blood.

    At mass priests change wine into the Blood of Christ. This is folloeing Jesus's command when he said "Do this in memory of me."

    Again, there is no water changed to wine. You confused yourself on that note.


    I am not mocking the Bible. John even tells us that not everything done or said by Jesus is included in the Gospels.

    He wrote:

    There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written. Jn 21:25



    The visible Church that Christ left us gives us the fullness of truth. The Pope is part of this Church.

    Its amazing to me that you were Catholic and think that the priests change water to wine.


    I am not micking the validity of the Bible. I beleive that all scripture is profitable for teaching, but it, alone, is not complete.

    The earliest Christains new this, and if you would ever read their writings you would now that the Catholic Church of today is the early Christian Church.


    Well as that isn't what the inquisition was about I won't answer it. The inquisition had alot more to do with the recent unification of Spain, the end of the Morrish occupation, and public mistrust of the Jews than it did with any religous belief.

    Also the Church did not distribute the death sentences in the inquisition. The secular government of Spain did all sentencing. All the Church did was judge if one's beleifs were orthodox or not. Many Spanish criminals being tried in secular courts would claim to be heretics, so they would be judged in the much more lenient courts of the Church. I really encourage you to get a book on the Spanish inquisition, and read up on it. I can reccomend several that were written by secular historians.


    Your boy Martin Luthor did. He also advocated slavary and serfdom.

    In his Pamplet Against the Murderous Peasants He wrote

    "Let all who are able, cut them down, slaughter and stab them, openly or in secret, and remember that there is nothing more poisonous, noxious and utterly devilish than a rebel." Martin Luthor 1525

    I agree with that. It is clear from the Bible, and teachings of all Christian churches, untill the last 50 years, that Jesus wanted men to lead the Church.

    And the protestants who removed the Deuterocanicals and select Chapters from from the Bible, because they support Catholic teachings.


    I agree with this whole heartedly. Many Jews, Muslims, Catholic, Mormons, Budists, and protestants will be saved.


    I read the Bible daily. I agree it is pretty straightforward.


    Apostollic succession. Its in the Bible. All the proof I need.

    But what if my vile Catholic Bible makes some poor soul become Catholic and they go to hell for being a Pagan.


    Acts says that entire households were baptized. That would include infants.


    Well actually the Catholic Church was founded in Jerusalem by Jesus Christ. The reason the Catholic Church is seated in Rome is because that is where Peter established his see and was martyred. He was the first Bishop of Rome and his successors carry the keys to the kindom, just as he did. I suppose if he had stayed and establish his see in Antioch then I would be described as an Antiochan Christain.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

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    http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm There you go. Play around with it.
     
  4. martin

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    i think at this point in time maybe they should read the koran. have you read the koran? dont you think it is at least as important as the bible? what about whatever those billions of chinese and indians read, have you read their crap? isnt it "important"?

    the point is that reading the bible is a waste of time, i could outline the whole book for you in 2 minutes. its a stupid piece of worthless and poorly written crap.

    your morals are yours, but you are not the source of them. i dont consult you to understand where the morals came from. just like the bible.

    also the bible advocates contradictory morals, like "turn the other cheek", and "an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". the aliens would be confused.

    if a society decides they should follow the categorical imperative, it isnt because jesus told them to. it is because there are rules that societies need in order to not fall into chaos. chaos is bad for everyone. since people want to be happy, they have rules. without the bible, the rules would be the same, except you could buy liquor on sundays.

    just tryin to help.
     
  5. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    So..you can't tell me what you believe, in your own words?
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I beleive in one God in Three persons, who came down from Heaven lived with us and died for our sins. I beleive he left us a visivle Church, just as he promised to shepard and guide all peoples. I beleive forgiveness of sins, the resurection of the body, and life everlasting.
     
  7. JSracing

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    a bit of secular history


     
  8. Frogleg

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    i would read the bible to better understand the society and people that surround me. I have no interest and see no benefit in reading crap like the Koran. After 9-11, i didn't spring up to read the Koran to look for their reasoned justification of mass murder, i sprung up shouting for bloody revenge, obliteration of the enemy.
     
  9. JSracing

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    SOme more History.

     
  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    ok, me neither.

    why doesnt that logic apply to the koran?

    but not the koran huh? only the precious bible. the koran isnt influential at all.
     

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