ESPN tries to murder LSU....

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  1. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Irrelevant to the ESPN piece.

    Nobody said they(LSU) has to renew. I think you are missing the point of the piece. The NCAA needs to come in, to me if the player is only offered a 1 year scholarship he/she should be able to go wherever they want after the year is up without penalty.

    Whether Porter or Garrett were good enough is irrelevant, someone was going to be let go even if everyone was doing what they were suppose to do.

    85 = 85, 87 will never equal 85.

    For the record, I didn't see any of the Garretts say he should or shouldn't have been on the team. Their point was that Les lied to them or hide the Truth of what was going on. This is the only possible contested facts I can see. Porter was just dumped out of the dorms.

    Either way 2 people were going home after Les promised them a spot on the team, it doesn't matter how you slice and dice it.

    This year there will be plenty of disappointed gullible kids. I have a suggestion to about 5-10 of those 3-star kids, you better at least have a backup plan. Someone has got to go, matter of fact if that 2 scholarship penalty is put in for 2011... LSU can't sign but a handful of guys without kicking someone to the curb.
     
  2. TUSKtimes

    TUSKtimes Riding the Wave

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    While you're there, be sure to ask the NCAA about a playoff, thanks.
     
  3. LSU-SIU

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    The Feds have been investigating the BCS for some time now.

    I did some rough numbers on LSU.

    I was told LSU has 10 senior players on scholarship for 2010, plus add in Peterson going to the NFL... that gives you roughly 11 scholarships freed up for 2011. Subtract 2 scholarships for the penalty leaves your 9 scholarships for 2011.

    85 scholarships for 2010
    - 10 senior scholarships (what I was told)
    - 1 Peterson to NFL
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    74 the # of carry over for 2011

    85 scholarship for 2010
    - 2 scholarships for penalty
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    83 scholarships available for 2011

    19 current verbals with a reported 23 signees wanted

    83 scholarships for 2011
    - 74 scholarships used
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    9 scholarships available for 2011

    Even if you have 1 or 2 with grade problems and medical issues with a current scholarship player or 2 the numbers do not work at all. I would seriously have a plan B if I were a player riding the bench last year because the numbers do not work at all.

    The numbers leaves out the possibility that Richard Murphy gets a 6th year. My guess LSU is over by 8-15 for 2011 if they sign 23. They basically have to get rid 1-2 players a month until next football season.
     
  4. TUSKtimes

    TUSKtimes Riding the Wave

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    They do, it's called Louisianan Tech, Troy, Alabama St. I'm trying to imagine how many disgruntled athletics left Tuscaloosa over time that was helped to be disgruntled.
    I've also seen athletics leave because it was convenient to them and hurt the program.

    If miles pushed the envelope with Garrett, he might chalk it up to poor judgment, or he could give you the rest of the story that made plenty of sense. Either way ESPN and the context of your argument is over signing. Why should Miles want to be the poster child for college football? A couple of players on Medical hardship recently took exception to Coach Saban's conclusion regarding their health. I doubt Coach Saban wants to be the poster child on that one either.

    The issue is not that hard to understand. ESPN didn't need to have coach Miles picture to talk about an extremely prevalent issue in college football. You don't either, but you are determined to take a snapshot and make him the poster child for over signing. Just seems like an odd place to try it.
     
  5. LSU-SIU

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    Well, technically they don't even need to show a story on TV, they could just put it in the paper. Although the story was basically factual, they wanted to show how it affected people along the way. The story is actually about the end of the process of the oversigning, the oversigning is a fact that isn't disputed unless LSU and Bama and other schools have new Math.

    Yes, you are correct, they could have just plotted some numbers on the screen and nobody would look at them unless you put them in context of what happens at the end of the process.

    I would say LSU and Alabama are the poster children of this problem. The solution is simple, if you don't want to be on the poster don't do it.

    None of this should be a surprise a LSU or Bama fan including yourself, countless articles on this. What is surprising are fans that don't get it and don't understand that 85 = 85, and there is no way of fitting 23 players in 9 slots.

    The truth of the matter is the kids shouldn't trust these coaches at all, the NCAA needs to completely revamp a lot of this. If it's alright for the school to not renew after a year, well the same should be given to the player... then see how the schools like it.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Show me where they broke rules. Show me where Chris Garrett was lied to. Show me where Les Miles is some evil villain.
     
  7. LSU-SIU

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    Nobody said LSU broke rules, you are making stuff up again.

    I said Garrett's story makes sense when you include all the evidence given. It's mostly irrelevant though.

    Les Miles being an evil villain would be an opinion which I did not make.

    Getting angry at me is not going to stop these stories if LSU continues to drastically oversign, you can bet on that. You think that was bad, wait till LSU signs 23 and only has 9 slots.
     
  8. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    OK, and just would the repercussions be? In my opinion it will be this, kids will think long and hard before signing with programs like LSU, Bama, UF, UGA, UTex, tOSU, USC, etc top 25 program. What will be going thru their HS minds? They will think to themselves if I want to be on a top 25 team that has a chance to win a MNC while I am there, and I want to try and make a career out of this and be seen by NFL teams, then I am going to have to bust my ass to make the team once I sign, and I am going to have to bust my ass to stay on the team once I sign. Net result, better teams.

    I am ok with that, and I think most of these kids are too. The ones like Garrett who get sent to the level of walk on for Ole Miss, because they are lazy and don’t want to keep earning that scholarship, are going to be the only ones crying about it.
     
  9. LSU-SIU

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    What you are trying to say is anyone that this happens to must be a lazy kid, sorry it doesn't matter if you had 87 Rocky Balboas, someone was still going home.

    You missed the whole point of the program.

    For the record, I don't think the Garretts were lying when they said they had no idea what was coming down the pike, either way it's pretty irrelevant. If it was not Chris Garrett it was going to be say Ryan St. Julien. Someone was going home.

    The NCAA can fix all of this pretty easily. Give players the option to leave if their scholarship is only a year and hard cap the scholarships every year.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I'm not getting angry, I don't think any of it was bad on LSU's part. That is the state of college athletics. What is irresponsible is to single out 1 university and portray them to be an evil institution right at the homestretch of recruiting season. What I am saying is that this was a hatchet piece by ESPN to put a mark on LSU's reputation, and the entire SEC in my opinion. ESPN is doing everything they can to even the playing field out because other conferences can't hold our jock strap when it comes to football. It's obvious what ESPN was doing, and it's disgusting. That isn't journalism. Everyone who knows anything about college football, knows about attrition, and scholarships. And by painting Chris Garrett as some victim, is irresponsible, and an attack, especially knowing that Chris Garrett's scholly was pulled because he was a fat ass who couldn't cut it, not some poor kid who's dreams were shattered.
     

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