EPA's own research expert 'shut up' on climate change

I think reading the book is necessary. How would I know if getting punched by you is good or bad for my face without knowing what you are going to do? Maybe your punch would fix my deviated septum. Is that how you spell that? I don't know.

Generally I am opposed to getting punched in the face, but I might not always be. Maybe you punch like a girl, and it wouldn't hurt. I would need to know the details before I made up my mind. Right now all I can say is I am thinking no, but with a yessy aftertaste. I am forgainst it.

 

Martin, you are really not advancing the conversation. Your hyperbolic arguments are getting old. Obviously Red doesn't believe that government is inherently useless. He isn't voicing an extreme liberal point of view, but he does believe that some degree of government is desirable. It is easy for someone on one side or the other to specify their opinion (for or against), but someone who believes something in the middle would have to do a lot of research to specify where they stand. Red isn't a politician, and obviously he hasn't dedicated a lot of time to figuring out just where he stands on the politics. Please stop beating the hide of that damn dead horse.

I am concerned that Obama is really bungling things up, but all those who voted McCain really would have gotten much of the same. It is so easy to criticize the Democrat, but they spent their vote on much the same thing. I am seriously concerned with the direction of our country. It doesn't seem like we'll be able to turn it around. California Republicans don't want new taxes, Democrats don't want social cuts, and they are about to go belly up.

Red, as far as your argument that Wall St being an example of what will happen with no regulation, I thought there was regulation. I think a more accurate analysis of the situation will show that adequate regulation of Wall St is basically impossible, at least in the way we've been trying. If we want to regulate, we really need to think of a realistic way to control the situation. We can't chase after all these big companies with the best minds money can buy running circles around regulators.

 

Wow! This is not a contest to see who voted the best. Obama's hand is in your pocket but you won't scream until he grabs your nuts.

 

I could use a good nut scratch.

Alls I'm saying is that we would have gotten about the same under Republican rule, yet Fox News and those who feast on it would be singing an entirely different tune. I'm not much for a big federal gubment, but by choosing either of the two major candidates you are basically getting the same thing with the only change how network x reports on it. The problem is we are on autopilot as a nation.

Seeing all these countries suppressing free speech reminds me how great the US is, but then I see California digging its hole deeper and it causes me concern.

 

I heard a dude on the radio last night saying how much better off America will end up because of Obama. His basic premise being that McCain would have bled us to death with a million papercuts and we would never have noticed the destruction of our economy and our democracy. Obama on the other hand is hacking away with a meat cleaver and we will either have to wake up and do something about it or collectively bend over.

 

nobody thinks that. pointless to mention.

just like everyone on the planet. pointless to mention.

not red. he has no opinion on this topic.

it is a yes or no question.

yes he is, he just isnt running for anything. that is my criticism of him.

that isnt obvious at all. i have no idea how much time he dedicates to anything.

i will beat any and all horses to the extent that pleases me. you manage you.

mccain would suck terribly but he wouldnt favor this carbon bill. mccain is terrible, but he isnt the issue i am currently discussing.

 

if you were a representative, and they say "yea or nay?" you should describe to them your shades of grey and feel nice and pompous.

 

of course, but so what? media has biases.

true enough. although like i mentioned, i think mccain would be marginally less in favor of the insane spending we are into now. and that makes a difference. note that i am not saying mccain isnt terrible, just better than obama.

because both parties are miserable doesnt mean that one isnt mildly more miserable. and i think we should all be able to concede that obama is basiclly doing everything he can to bring the maximum amount of misery to the most people possible.

 

Isn't this enough reason to say you would oppose the bill? Given the incredibly short time frame for debate it is nothing short of an insult to the American people that a 1,200 page bill got through the House. I would like to know if the folks who voted for it can even summarize how this plan will work.

I don't vote yay for things I don't understand or haven't read. I seriously doubt the 219 idiots who voted for this bill can do either.