right, like roger penrose in the book "the emperor's new mind". this is what dumb scientists think when they are religious or cannot accept what humans are.
yeah seriously, i cant even remember my multiplication tables. i dont have any idea how to do that thing, "factoring" or anythig that was taught in high school math. if i claimed to have a high iq it would be an insult to the real smart people like 157.
Yes. Magic. We have a soul, and we were created by God. BTW, Until you can answer that question satisfactorily via science, (which you will never be able to do) you won't convince anyone to NOT believe in God.
within your lifetime there will probably be computers as smart as people. i guess then you will have to claim god gave the robot a soul or change your view somehow to fit reality. this reminds me to ask, do clones have souls? is it the same sould the original had and now they have to split it?
Seems baffling to say this, but you should read a bit more... Quote from previous link: Penrose has written a more recent book, 1994, entitled Shadows of the Mind. On pages 413-414 he says: “The reality of mathematical concepts is a much more natural idea for mathematicians than it is for those wo have not had the fortune to spend time exploring the wonders and mysteriousness of that world. However, for the moment, it will not be necessary for the reader to accept that mathematical concepts truly form a `world' with an actual reality comparable with that of the physical world and the mental world... What, then, are the mysteries? There is the mystery of why such precise and profoundly mathematical laws play such an important role in the behaviour of the physical world. Somehow the very world of physical reality seems almost mysteriously to emerge out of the Platonic world of mathematics... Then there is the second mystery of how it is that perceiving beings can arise from out of the physical world. How is it that subtly organized material objects can mysteriously conjure up mental entities from out of its material substance?... Finally, there is the mystery of how it is that mentality is able seemingly to `create' mathematical concepts out of some kind of mental model. These apparently vague, unreliable, and often inappropriate mental tools, with which our mental world seems to come equipped, appear nevertheless mysteriously able (at least when they are at their best) to conjure up abstract mathematical forms, and thereby enable our minds to gain entry, by understanding, into the Platonic mathematical realm. Penrose, concludes this book on page 420: These are deep issues, and we are yet very far from explanations. I would argue that no clear answers will come forward unless the interrelating features of all these worlds are seen to come into play. No one of these issues will be resolved in isolation from the others. I have referred to three worlds and the mysteries that relate them one to another. No doubt there are not really three worlds but one, the true nature of which we do not even glimpse at present. That last sentence in Roger Penrose's book sounds like the concluding sentence in Dr. White's paper, “a 5th dimensional concept, so radical, so advanced, so different that even its faintest outline has yet to appear.” This sentence of Dr. White may suggest the reason why the advocates of artificial intelligence continue to grope. They are looking for the mind among the intricacies of our three dimensional brain when they should turn their attention to more lofty dimensions and concepts. They should turn to the fifth dimension, as Dr. White suggests! However, they can't, and will probably never, be able to build a five-dimensional computer where the mind likely functions. That may be what is required to build a computer that would compete artificially with the human mind, and this is an impossible task so long as we are locked into our three-dimensional world of the current moment of time
"Then there is the second mystery of how it is that perceiving beings can arise from out of the physical world' penrose is ridiculous and he is not respected for his views on extradimensional brain waves. he is mocked in the scientific community. i have even seen cartoons with him where he says silly things. there is no mystery. some people just cant accpet that humans are not special. your thoughts are simply calculations made by switches in your brain. like i said before, anb electrochemical neuron type switch is doing the EXACT same thing a computer does. we simply have more of them and can do more calculations.
Just a quick question for the peanut gallery. What is the possiblty with the advances in cloning if the near future that a possible super killer gene could araise from this form of science. With every discovery there is a equal neagtive force created.
what are you talking about? says who? i have read quite a bit about neural networks and brains vs computers. how do you claim to know what i know? i dont go claiming you havent read the new testament or whatever other magic books you base your life on. keep in mind you are the one claiming brains work via "magic". ok, i will wait until then, and until then i will shove it up my ass. i think thats what the scientists are doing, when they consider whether clones have souls.
why would that happen? yunno, clones are exactly the same as twins, just not born at the same time. thats an obscure theory.
