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  1. TerryP

    TerryP Founding Member

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    Fully understanding how astronomical the odds are for Bama getting back to the game, much less winning it, if we ended up catching Ohio State in the Cap One or Sugar I wouldn't be too terribly disappointed in the season.
     
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    GiantDuckFan be excellent to each other Staff Member

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    Oh, you just like their style

    Stanford does have a lot going for them, especially on defense, especially at LB. They're a little lacking at receiver, but furd definitely looks like a top team.

    Our offense is better than theirs, their defense is somewhat better. I don't think Stanford can hold the Ducks to 14 points again. We'll outscore them.
     
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    One of the reasons I feel they'd have a better shot at beating an SEC team is their style of play. No doubt. It's my opinion they can line up against any of the top six teams in our conference and they wouldn't be pushed around.

    Hold Oregon to 14 points again? Odds are they can't.

    The thing about that Stanford game last year which can be brought into an Oregon versus SEC match-up was the way they maintained their gap control. It's the key to slowing down the Ducks.

    I certainly don't follow the PAC as closely as you do. That leaves me with opinion. And, as of right now, it's my opinion that Oregon has more questions that need answering than Stanford going into the fall.

    I read where the Ducks went through spring camp without knowing who was going to make the offensive calls this fall. Is that still the case?
     
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    Before the spring game there was media speculation about who would call plays, but I've heard nothing else and assumed Helfrich would make the calls.
    ..heard anything else about it?

    Not too many quesions about Oregon, the Ducks have big shoes to fill at linebacker and defensive end, and if freshman Thomas Tyner doesn't meet expectations we could be thin at RB, causing DeAnthony Thomas to line up at RB too often, his size makes that problematic. We need a safety to step up, amongst other needs, but the Ducks will be very good this year.

    Oregon's season will hinge on four things;

    Thomas Tyner could make us unstoppable
    Marcus Mariota's health,.. as both backup QB's are incoming freshmen
    spanking new Head Coach Mark Helfrich
    and no doubt, our freshmen field goal kicker

    Ducks are better, that's my biased opinion, Stanford is getting more love nationally though.
     
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    "Not too many questions about Oregon" yet there's no definitive answer on who is calling the plays on offense? You've lost me here.

    I'm purposefully avoiding why your new HC needs to be spanked—must be a PAC thing.
     
    TerryP, Jun 28, 2013
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    Attack Tiger Reformed Sunshine Pumper

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    I read it the same way the first time around...LOL
     
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    Oh, wise guys, eh?

    making fun of my post just because it's stupid :D
     
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    Everybody has been focusing on the NCAA decision, not much news coming out about the football team. This is from an early spring article.

    http://www.footballscoop.com/news/8728-i-ve-never-in-my-life-said-i-have-to-be-a-head-coach

    ....Though Helfrich was Oregon's offensive coordinator for four years, Kelly called the plays. Now that Kelly is gone, Helfrich has yet to decide whether he will inherit play-calling duties or delegate to offensive coordinator Scott Frost....

    ....Helfrich's situation is unique to just about all of his colleagues that took their first head coaching jobs this winter. For one, Helfrich is one of the most junior members of what is now his own staff. Oregon has retained eight of its 10 coaches from 2012, and six of those coaches have deposited more than a decade in Eugene....
     
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    Thanks.

    Here's a little more detail on where my questions come from...

    In another thread here there's an ongoing conversation about A&M and Sumlin's offensive coordinators. From TTU, to Houston, and now at A&M there has been a consistent theme in how those coaches have progressed through their careers. They've come from a Mike Leach background and followed their predecessors while rising up through the ranks of position coach to coordinator and some on to head coaching jobs.

    A head coach remaining in place but coordinators moving on and their (HC's) system in place continues.

    On the other end of that spectrum look at West Virginia. There we had Rich Rod leading the team as HC and he decided to move on to Michigan. Their replacement was Bill Stewart who didn't carry the title of Offensive coordinator, but as an assistant head coach his background was primarily on offense. The system Rich Rod had in place fell apart when his play-calling and influence wasn't there anymore.

    Now with Oregon it appears the system is going to remain in place but the head coach and play caller have moved on. Does the success continue?

    With timing and a feel for how the game is progressing such vital components in this type of offense how big of an impact will the loss of Kelly translate to this fall?

    Casually thinking back of the last several years I can't immediately recall a situation where an offensive coordinator, coupled with the point he wasn't the one who was calling the plays, took over a program and maintained the same level of play.

    I'm hoping some here have an example of where that's happened.

    Now, in a series of different stories you can see why I see a lot of questions regarding this fall, can't you?
     
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    There are few questions about this year's Oregon team, but, "How will our new Head Coach work out?" is a very gigantic one.

    Much is at stake, A terrible head coach can sink the ship.

    Am I worried? Yes I am, but I was worried when Rich Brooks handed the program over to his OC, Mike Belotti, and I was worried when Belotti gave the job to his OC, Chip Kelly.

    Now, Chip's OC is Head Coach,.. will Helfrich succeed? I don't know.
    Will Oregon continue to be successful? Yep, absolutely, because of our system.

    Our coaching staffs continuity is unparalleled, and is one of the things that set us apart. The last time we fired our football coach was in 1976. Though Oregon football isn't about the Head Coach,.. Oregon football is about the Ducks, and it's a team effort.

    Stalwart continuity has been our path. In 1995 When Mike Belotti took over for Rich Brooks, he didn't fire everybody and start over,.. he kept the assistant coaches, and made small adjustments, though years later he radically altered Oregon's offense.

    Because of city size, weather, and it's non-proximity to population centers, Eugene is a tough place to attract recruits. Belotti determined we'd reached a plateau, we'd never be able to recruit enough big horses to consistently beat the top level teams. The pro-style offense was holding us back, mostly because we couldn't land the monster recruits.

    Oregon needed to find a new way to succeed. So, we did,.. Belotti's spread option, Phil Knight's lavish facilities, Nike's glitzy uniforms, were all assimilated into the system,.. and we got better.

    When Chip took over, except for pace and practice, he didn't rip-up and radically alter things, he kept the assistant coaches, and just tweaked things a bit,.. and we flew higher.

    Now Mark Helfrich is Head Coach, he has kept the assistant coaches, so I don't expect major changes. Will he make us better? Will he be a flop? Big questions.

    The Duck's have a winning system,. but it's not Helfrich's, Kelly's, Belotti's, nor Rich Brook's system,.. it's Oregon's.

    The Oregon way is a collective effort,
    ...and resistance is futile.
     
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