Election 2020

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  1. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    In Winston's defense ... he is a Republican, supporting the GOP establishment. JMO ... Winston viewed Trump as a disruption of GOP norms. That's not the same as a Constitutionalists, where most Conservatives fall. Conservatives vote GOP because the alternative is the DNC, who has been on a road of destroying the constitution for over 100 years, starting with W. Wilson creating the Federal Reserve.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    The Republican establishment are as deep in the swamp as Dems. Neither one gives a flying fuck about doing what's best for the average American working stiff.

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  3. Buzz69

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    The Democrats fuck fly's at warp speed. The Republicans fly's at about 70 mph.
     
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  4. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    I appreciate your kind words. However I haven’t been a member of the party since 2005 or so. I se myself as a traditional conservative who follows in the Edmund Burke mold. Read George Will’s “The Conscience of a Conservative “. It is fairly dense but lays our the principles I believe in. Basically I believe the government should be as limited in scope as possible. I look to the constitution as the guide for the government and the wisdom of the founding fathers.
    They believed that government should be balanced and structured it so that non of the three branches could dominate. That also realized that there was a great difference between the various states and each should have the power to shape its destiny. Finally they knew that individual freedoms should be protected from the state. The constitution and first 14 amendments did exactly that.
    One of the greatest fears they had was an overarching and powerful executive. Experience from early Greek city states to Rome and Byzantium showed failure to restrain the executive leads to dictatorship of one sort or another. They intended Congress to be the primary branch as the balance between the House and the Senate and control of the purse would be the best limit on the presidency.
    Unfortunately we have seen Congress become ossified and a growing tendency to look to the president to get things done. The increased efficiency of communications and ease of looking to Washington for solutions as well as the limitations on state power by the SOCTUS (Interstate Commerce act of the early 1900s I think) have reduced the ability of states to control their destiny.
    While there were activist presidents (Jackson & Lincoln) most followed the ideals noted above. Starting with Teddy Roosevelt and W Wilson and reinforced by FDR an almost imperial presidency has been established. At the same time congress has abrogated its duties and ceded power to the executive. The last truly effective congressional session was in 1992/4 when the Republicans under Newt enacted their contract with America and took over/transformed Clinton’s agenda. The last 4 presidents (W, Obama, Trump and now Biden) have been able to go around Congress for almost everything they wanted. The explosion of executive orders is the prime example and tool. The paradox has been a impotent congress limits the president but then the president can use that as an excuse to seize more power.
    It’s less what policies they want enacted but how they get there. One of my problems with Trump is that he didn’t appear to understand anything but executive power. He has spent his whole life as the one in charge with no one to answer to. Biden must be senile because it seems he’s forgotten he was ever a senator. I’m afraid we’re on a road like Ancient Greece and Rome, like ancien regime France and Weimar Germany to a all powerful executive. The weakness of that is everything depends on the quality of the leader. One bad leader and everything can come crashing down but more likely is a growing ossification.
    I know this has been long and dense but this is the background and basis I use to make my political points.
     
  5. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    That's all fine and good, but it depends on how you define "One bad leader". That one bad leader was NOT Trump. A bad person, maybe, but definitely NOT a bad leader from a Constitutional perspective. In all policies, Trump strove to uphold the LAW! His immigration policy was none other that to uphold the law. HIs economic policy was to eliminate federal regulation and taxes and rightly let the STATES handle those issues. His anti-war policy was completely consistent with the non-interventionists premise of the founders. Is insistence on a FAIR PRESS, calling out the fake news, was a pure reflection of WHY the 1st Amendment included freedom of the press.

    LOOK CLOSELY .. most of Trumps EOs were undoing the UNCONSTITUTIONAL overreach of the Obama admin. DACA is unconstitutional, the ACA was unconstitutional, pre-emptive attacks in Libya were unconstitutional. The Paris Accord, as well as the IRAN deal was unconstitutional. .. this list goes on and on. Trump had no choice to undo these things via the EO, because they were implemented using EOs from Obama and the Congress REFUSED .. (thank you dickless Paul Ryan) to do anything about it because .... They WERE REPUBLICANS ... defined ... as caring more about what Washington Liberals think about them than doing the right thing! Like you, they cared more about how Trump appeared, than what he did.
     
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    imagine that....
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    BREAKING: Washington Post retracts massive story that falsely claimed Trump asked Georgia to "find the votes"
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  7. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Bet it doesn't make the front page anywhere!
     
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    more fuel for the fire regarding the Wapo retraction.... too little, too late

    by design?


    @JackPosobiec

    If you think the is just about WaPo, this actually goes deeper so listen up The Georgia Secretary of State lied about the Trump call but a deleted copy was found Fulton DA opened an investigation of Trump - did they delete the evidence so they wouldn't get caught?
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    8793C97B-1C49-4A98-B2B0-F688FA971F77.jpeg this is why all of that is important. would be interested in hearing from some of trump’s detractors on this:
     
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  10. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Don't hold your breath. They will say it doesn't matter, he is a liar, narcissists, bad manager, butt pinching, ho banging, not fit for office monster ..... and OH ... there was no election fraud, we know this because the Democrats have told us so.
     

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