You continue to present this shit like it means anything. Was this admitted into court? If so, why didn't they accept it and allow the law suit to move forward? In fact, of all the "evidence" you have presented...was one iota of it used in court? Let me help you...NOPE. Not a shred of it is worth a shit and you are just too ignorant to stop trying to present it as evidence of something that never happened. You just cannot understand that Trump's own lawyers knew his claims were bull shit, as the article that Winston just posted, articulates very well. But it will never matter to you because you have immersed yourself into the alternative reality where Trump really won the election and, more, that there were ever enough Trump voters to re-elect him in the first place. Look back at page one of this thread and all you guys could talk about before the election was fraud, fraud, fraud...and it was because that was all Trump was talking about. Trump was terribly unpopular for the entirety of his term and he never reached out to a single group that wasn't already part of his base, which only amounted to 46% of the electorate in 2016 and was the same percentage in 2020. Yet, somehow you think he was defrauded. The guy has been raising money off of folks like you with this lie about election fraud. That's all.
Yes. This was in court. Judge just released it in MI. But you don’t really care. Do you? You won’t even read it.
See the sources for this fact-check During a Nov. 19 press conference, Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer representing President Donald Trump, charged that many precincts in Michigan — a key state won by his Democratic opponent, President-elect Joe Biden — recorded more votes than actual voters. In Michigan, he said, "we have over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%." Giuliani’s source for these percentages was an affidavit authored by Russell Ramsland, a security consultant and former Republican congressional candidate. The document alleges that anomalies in the vote count indicate that Michigan election results were "manipulated." "There were at least 19 precincts where the Presidential Votes Cast compared to the Estimated Voters based on Reported Statistics exceeded 100%," the affidavit reads. The document then goes on to list the 19 precincts, shown in this screenshot: But there’s a problem, and it’s a big one: All 19 of the precincts cited in the affidavit are actually located in Minnesota, not Michigan. A separate part of the affidavit focuses on Wayne County, Mich., which includes Detroit. Of 47 Wayne County precincts, the document lists 25 that allegedly showed 100% turnout. Here’s that portion of the document: This portion of the document isn’t accurate either: None of the 25 precincts listed are actually in Wayne County. Like the 19 precincts cited above, each is located in Minnesota. Powerline, a conservative blog, was the first to report that the affidavit cited Minnesota rather than Michigan voting jurisdictions. (A possible explanation is Michigan’s postal abbreviation is MI, while Minnesota’s is MN.) Other media outlets confirmed these discrepancies. When we checked data from the office of the Minnesota secretary of state, we found no support for the affidavit’s conclusions. In the five townships cited as having the largest number of over-votes, the number of votes on election day was smaller than the number of registered voters. FEATURED FACT-CHECK Donald Trump stated on November 18, 2020 in a tweet “Michigan just refused to certify the election results!” By Clara Hendrickson • November 18, 2020 For example, the affidavit cites Minnesota’s Benville Township as having 350% voter turnout, which would be by far the largest over-voting rate alleged in the document. Both Giuliani and Trump lawyer Sidney Powell cited the 350% figure in the Nov. 19 press conference. However, according to the Minnesota Secretary of State’s election data, 63 people voted in the township, and 71 were registered to vote, a turnout rate of 89%. The Washington Post, which cross-checked numbers from the five precincts alleged to have the highest number of over-votes, found that the Ramsland affidavit overestimated the numbers in all five precincts. Even if the data in the affidavit were accurate, it would do little to further the Trump campaign’s baseless argument that massive voter fraud swung the election to Biden. For instance, election data from the Minnesota secretary of state’s office shows that Benville Township voted overwhelmingly for Trump, not Biden. It’s unclear what data Ramsland used to arrive at his percentages. We reached out to him but haven’t heard back. L. Lin Wood, another Trump campaign lawyer, has filed the affidavit as part of a lawsuit in Georgia. When reached by email, Wood called the labeling of the numbers as being from Michigan rather than Minnesota a "simple mistake" and said the document "will be corrected if it hasn’t been already." "We are imperfect," he told PolitiFact. Our ruling Giuliani said that in Michigan, "we have over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%." The numbers come from an affidavit filed by lawyers working for Trump, but the jurisdictions cited are in Minnesota, not Michigan. Furthermore, the Minnesota data cited in the affidavit do not square with actual data from the Minnesota Secretary of State’s office. The official data shows no over-voting. A Trump campaign lawyer acknowledged a "simple mistake" and said the document would be "corrected." We rate this claim liar, liar, Pants on Fire!
So you didn’t read it either. This is released from a “Judge”. This was just released today. Not sure how an article from NOVEMBER applies here.
that article said "we found that the Ramsland affidavit overestimated the numbers in all five precincts". it certainly casts doubt on the credibility of Russell Ramsland and what judge?.. that was an affidavit filed by the untrustworthy Russell Ramsland
Judge in MI. Your standards for untrustworthy are a bit hypocritical. This proves him right and a judge allowed it. Something you guys keep saying isnt happening. More coming.
what's the judge's name, or jurisdiction? I'll say this,.. I don't trust voting machines,.. physical paper ballots are the way to go and not in favor of computer signature validators either seems to me both could be manipulated like a slot machine in Vegas but to say that proves him right is laughable, and to suggest it shows Trump's claim of "massive voter fraud" is true, well, that's just hilarious
You need to stop conflating multiple issues. You also need to know the difference in a "lie" and a mistake. I lie is intentional misleading. A mistake is not intentional. Also, you rely too much on other people. You should stop listening to the media and form your "own" opinions. Take this for an example from the article YOU posted. "It’s unclear what data Ramsland used to arrive at his percentages. We reached out to him but haven’t heard back." So they admit they dont have his sources so instead of just leaving it there, they just call him a liar. Thats fine. Nothing wrong with being like that, but its not the method of someone who is trying to be objective. Also, yes, it does prove him right. To date, and to my knowledge, these are the ONLY machines they have had access to. All the machines are the same. If you bothered to read the results, you would see the massive security holes and here is an important finding: You guys can say any number of deflection type strawmen statements you would like, but this is real. Regardless of your opinion on Trump, this is terrible.
Unlike many, I read as many sides as I can find. Technically, this was released by a law firm, Deperno Law Office, after being given permission to release it by a judge. The judge made no reference or opinion regarding the accuracy of the document. Huge difference, The group doing the so called forensic investigation, Allied Security Operations Group, is characterized as a right wing group, with some ties to groups characterized as terrorist groups. I am not saying that Allied Security is terrorist group. Mr Ramsland is both the CFO AND the CyberSecurity Expert (a pretty broad portfolio) at Allied Security Operations Group. According to PolitFact, Mr Ramsland . . "has filed multiple affidavits in election-related lawsuits in 2020." He has earned a "Pants on Fire" label which is not reassuring. (Liar, liar, Pants on fire) Simultaneously, within the Michigan State GOP leadership ....."Republican leaders of the Michigan Legislature explicitly conceded the election to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden Monday in an apparent effort to ease tensions just ahead of Michigan's Electoral College vote." It’s hard to understand how the Michigan GOP would make such a move if they thought Ramsland’s findings were credible, but more importantly relevant.
