Earth cools as fight about global warming heats up

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i quite specifically and vehemently oppose cap and trade and virtually any other legislation meant to curb global warming . nothing vague about my stance.



    it is interesting to me the way you resist the implications of your own positions, as if you have an opinion in a vacuum, independent of any consequences. you say gore's science is solid, but deny that it means anything. you say you favor cap and trade, but when asked you will only say "because it works with sulphur", as if that has any relevance.

    this is the nature of the left, no real willingness to examine the consequences of their policies. this is the policies do not aim to fix anything but the mental state of those that favor them.
     
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  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I can't prove that Obama's goal is to establish a European style Socialist system in America either, but I know it's true.

    If you believe it, it's not a lie - George Costanza.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You deny the scientific facts and offer nothing to support your silly arguments. You say cap & trade is a boondoggle but you offer no facts to support this.

    I say that the cap & trade concept is good but the energy bill contains a lot of other things that makes it questionable. You call that not taking a stand. Well, its because it's not a black and white world. You, sir, are colorblind. Your all or nothing approach to everything makes you wrong most of the time. The answers never lie at the extremes.

    I defend science here, I don't advocate Al Gore or anyones policies. You can blather all you want to. I don't have to support every policy that addresses global warming just because I understand that global warming is a fact.

    You have failed to disprove climate change scientifically, so now you want me to take up Al Gore's politics so you can go off on a big-government tirade. Sorry. I'll advocate what I want to. You go advocate what you want to. Stop trying to speak for me. It just makes you look weak.

    I think folks here would like to hear you state your own beliefs and your reasons for believing that instead of just attacking everybody else's beliefs.
     
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  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Another article about the man made global warming hoax!
    Reminds us that 30 years ago scientists wanted to cause global warming because we had global cooling!:lol:
    History undercuts fears of global warming / LJWorld.com
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    "Although the political and media drumbeat of alarm is incessant, a Pew poll shows that only 57 percent of Americans think there is solid evidence of global warming, down 20 points in three years. Gallup shows that only 1 percent of Americans rank the environment as their biggest worry."
     
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You have repeatedly failed to prove a hoax. Let me address this one, too.

    My boy, George Will is smart. He doesn't make statements that he knows he can't back up, so he cites someone else making the statement. :hihi:

    Here is the deal, . . . this oft-quoted notion that the 1970s scientific consensus was for impending global cooling is simply incorrect. In actuality, there were significantly more papers in the 1970s predicting warming than cooling.

    Most predictions of an impending ice age came from the popular press (Newsweek, NY Times, Time Magazine). As far as peer reviewed scientific papers in the 1970s, very few papers (7 in total) predicted global cooling. Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming due to CO2.

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    Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers (Peterson 2008).

    Peterson, et al: The Myth of the 1970's Global Cooling Consensus
     
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  6. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    If that's the case then you failed to prove its true as well.
    I have already proven that the information put into the computers are inaccurate.
    I have also proven that all of this information from the IPCC is coming from the UN.
    One of the most corrupt organizations in the world.
    The same organization tied up in Oil for Food and the same organization where some of their people were raping women in some country around the world.
    As much as you try, you can't get the politics out of this issue.
    Everything about the IPCC and the UN is politics!

    You can't also deny that science many times get things wrong and is inaccurate.
    I've stated many examples you just choose to ignore my arguments!:)

    I'm not trying to change your mind here and you aren't going to change mine.
    I put this information here for Martin, Sf and other people like me.
    I have no problems at all with your charts though!:)
     
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  7. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I can agree with this here but to a point btw.
    I'm not sure what all out there is practical without killing the golden goose!:thumb:
     
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  8. Frogleg

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    Nice attempt to skew history, but the issue was with the popular media and cultural elite misinterpreting proper science studies/papers, blowing erroneous conclusions way out of proportion to scare the hell out of people to sell magazines/increase viewership, etc..

    ...and they're still doing it today
     
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  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Damn, sounds a lot like today!
    I mean after all lets talk about Al Gore's movie.
    Ted Danson said something about this in the 1980's I believe.
    He had to be the first!:eek:
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You did not. You simply alleged it and then failed to back it up with evidence.

    You did not. You only alleged it and then were proven wrong. I guess you've already forgotten that you just got schooled about the 1970's global cooling myth one post above.

    You'll come back tomorrow and claim that you proved it to be true. :lol:

    Science is inaccurate? You just claimed that science was inaccurate in the 70's and I just exposed you for posting something that was absolutely false.

    I'm sure martin and SF appreciate being like you . . .

    That would be an admission that you were wrong, amigo.
     
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