Earth cools as fight about global warming heats up

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    yes, that is exactly what it means.

    inasmuch as the predictions go, that is exactly what it means.

    well, in my defense, i dont think i ever use the phrase "common sense".

    and also, most thing that we study, we can accurately model. but the earth is about as complex as it gets.

    you know me, i love a nice mock and/or jeer.
     
  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    You forgot Pelosi who makes policy and at the same time makes money off of her policies.
    Al Gore indeed is the number 1 advocate for global warming.
    He does have influence over the dems, Pelosi and those involved in the man made conspiracy theory.

    I said follow the money and that this stuff happens and you said prove it.
    That was easy, all I had to do is connect Gore and people inside the government to making policy and making money off of that policy and I did.
    Where is Al Gore getting 300 million to fund his campaign?
    The article also said that Al Gore's wealth has doubled since his movie.
    Follow the money!
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, you said that politics was influencing the scientific results, that false data had ben introduced, and that I was a "puppet". You have proved none of this.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    No, maybe you should re-read this stuff, I don't know.
    I have also accused the models of being inaccurate or imperfect and that is exactly what has happened.
    I have said time and time again I don't trust the UN or anyone associated with them.
    I don't trust what people put into these computers.
    Garbage in Garbage out equals a hoax.

    Quote from article....
    "The reality is more complex. A few years of cooling doesn't mean that people aren't heating up the planet over the long term. But the cooling wasn't predicted by all the computer models that underlie climate science. That has led to one point of agreement: The models are imperfect."

    And yes I think you are a puppet to the cause and I don't think you can deny politics involved here one way or the other.
    I think I've already proven Pelosi and others have their hands in the cookie jar.
    People are also questioning where Al Gore is getting his money from btw.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are scientifically naive, my friend. What exactly are you an expert at anyway?

    That does not render it opaque to science. As I constantly point out to you . . . we don't live in a black and white world. Knowledge never exists as 0% or 100%. We always know something and we never know everything. You have to perceive the shades of gray to understand that we know a great deal about complex systems. A thing that is not 100% certain does not fail the fact test if it is only 90% certain. By such a definition nothing is known about anything.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Being imperfect is not the same as being wrong, obviously.

    That's a mixed metaphor. Look, I know that you believe it. You just have no proof of this silly notion and nothing to stand on.

    The fact that a model can only predict a smooth curve and not each and every peak and valley is stating the obvious to a scientist. Why you think this is evidence that global warming is a hoax is quite beyond me. The very paper that you cite states explicitly that this ocean cooling effect is not enough to sustain the flattening very long and is less significant than greenhouse warming in the total climate change picture.

    What cause? :insane: I've already denied that politics enters into scientific conclusions and you have repeatedly failed to find one that uses politics to define anything.

    Al Gore is a private citizen. He can make money any way he wishes.
     
  7. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    The article just stated that global cooling wasn't projected from the computer because the models are imperfect.
    What more proof do you need?:confused:

    If the models and information put into computers are imperfect then the outcome can't be correct or predicted.
    No different than all of these horrible hurricanes predicted after Katrina.
    If we can't predict the weather any better than we do how in the heck can you predict this kind of stuff?
    Evidence?
    I don't believe you can deny this.
    Human beings are human, biased by our surroundings and prejudices.
    I will go one step further and say if you hire me to do "one" job I may drag it out as long as I can because I need the money!
    This is no different than scientists or anyone else who has a job, welfare or unemployment.

    What you have to realize you take this stuff as concrete evidence while others don't.
    Too many variables involved in all of this stuff, you might as well believe in Martin's wizard or a fairytale!:hihi:
     
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    if this were a merely scientific discussion, which you pretend it is, it would be quite different. but you explicitly claim (when you are not waffling) to favor cap and trade. and the ipcc specifically put together a list of recomendationz for policymakers. that means we are no longer talking about science, we are talking about policy and science being intertwined. surely you understand how this mangles the science.

    you cant continue to say "the science isnt politicized" even as if you favor using it to justify what is always your goal, more government control. it just isnt honest.
     
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    i should also note that the ipcc didnt wn a nobel prize for science. they won it for "peace". do you see how that isnt science? a moral value has been attached to this. it is seen as noble and righteous to do climate science and drive the politics.

    you dont win a nobel peace prize for discovering quarks or figuring out a new way to machine microchips. these things are just seen as scientific endeavors. but climate change is seen as a noble calling that deserves the most prestigious rewards possible, awards that dont have a damn thing to do with science. and you still dont see how this field has not been compromised?

    no peace prizes, no direct political influence, thats science. the IPCC is not science.
     
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    I'll repeat one more time, Imperfect does not equal wrong. Nothing is perfect, but it doesn't prevent us from knowing things well enough to withstand challenge.

    This is an absurd conclusion and reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what a model is. :insane:

    :huh:

    If you don't realize that local weather and global climate change are two very different things, then there is no point in discussing it with you.

    This is evidence? :lol:

    Your inability to comprehend the issue is not my problem.
     

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