The guy built up your program, and won a co-NC for you guys. Before him, LSU was nothing more than a warm bucket of spit. I just don't get the hate for the guy. If he wanted to come back to LSU, you guys would be all peeing in your pants in excitement.

He didn't destroy your program like Ty did to ND, steal money from ND, and then backstab ND by trying to paint it as racist in the media.

Well, to be fair, I also think Davie was a diaster as well and he did a lot of damage to ND, just not as much as Ty did. But, at least, he could recruit and he brought ND to one BCS bowl game.

And, if you're going to get all sensitive about race, explain the Jean Lafitte phenomenon in Louisiana. The guy was a pirate, and a slave trader.

So, if I say something inspirational and trite like "luck is when oppurtunity meets preparation", you'll be okay if I start saying "aargh" and "matey" and be cool if I sold your family into slavery?

The guy did build our program back, we didn't want to see him leave. But he flirted with the pros every year, just looking out for himself. Finally he bolted to Miami. I actually bore him no ill will, as it was clearly a promotion and an opportunity to compete at the highest level, and I actually became a Dolfin fan and pulled for Saban and the fish.

We hate him because he is such a huge liar. He has no consideration for anyone else when he leaves programs, he has lied about it publicly every time. He accepts no accountability for his failure in Miami, blaming his personnel people that he approved hiring. He's a lying weasel and a good college coach. He's a great PR guy, because if you look at his college head coach record, he only has one sterling season, 2003 at LSU.

I'm more angry at him for how he failed at Miami and won't accept accountability for it, and how he left them with all the lies and deceit. Don't think for an instant that this whole deal came down after the last loss; it was in the bag for weeks while he was telling folks he was staying. Go to www.finheaven.com and read some threads on Saban, and that is why I'm off his bandwagon, not what he did at LSU, but what he did at Miami.

So, bitterND, what do you offer this forum? Do you have an opinion, do you have facts, do you have a contribution to make other than trying to irritate people and just ask them a lot of questions?

We have a nice board here that is based on our love of college football, and we share ideas to help each other gain a better perspective and understanding of what's going on. It does not appear to me that that is what your objective is by posting on this board. If it is not, then you should leave. If you share our objective, say so, and contribute something of value.

That was not a co championship domer. Played for and won by the rules that all of BCS conferences agreed to. Might want to take your "playing for a tie", tiger biatched slapped, pretender butt back on up to TD Jesus and the Hamburglar. Next year when the media kisses your ass all the way into another bowl game that is way over your head, some other football team will do pretty much the same thing that you have experienced for the past 10 years.

What "destroyed" your program was the unrealistic expectations of fans who believed all of the crap spewed by the media time and time again. How many times did Mark May try to tell Granny Holtz that ND was an average team with no defense while Louie was repeating his "Irish will play for the NC" mantra over and over again? Even after the cornholing that Michigan put on the Irish, the media (and the ND fans) tried to spin it into something it was not. "We have Brady Quinn" (remember Powlus? Same thing). "He's a Heisman front-runner". "We have a genius for a coach. Look at his Super Bowl ring!" "We beat Georgia Tech. They're ranked. It's ON, baby!!!" Too bad GT was equally overrated. "Yeah, Michigan beat us, but we've won 8 in a row" (too bad it was against Sun Belt-type competition) "Bring on USC. We'll show the world that ND belongs." "OK, USC cleaned our clock, will it be the Rose, Orange, Fiesta or Sugar?" "Damn, we got our a$$es whipped again. Oh well, we'll be top 5 preseason next year and Weis will show them."

Reality check, Domer. You suck and are a long way from being in the class of LSU, et.al. Don't change you're name. It'll be worse next year. I've absolutely hated Notre Dame since 1969 and times have never been better.

Saban's style of abandoning people and lying is a big letdown and disappointment for all the LSU fans who used to revere him. To me that is a HUGE character flaw. Would anyone want their sons to be influenced by him in his program?

This is hilarious. Pay close attention to the words, I saw the link on finheaven.com, and its priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZuB1kQABI