Do you #standwithahmed?

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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    I agree completely. I saw major hypocrisy in the teacher warning Ahmed about being used by adults but it's clear from some of the comments that his history teacher was doing exactly that. That teacher saw some similarities to himself and encouraged behavior that probably wasn't very helpful or in Ahmed's best interest.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Parents disagree with how other parents raise their kids. What a shock.

    This is only your opinion. Ahmed and his family have not said this. Allow me to disregard it.

    Well, you cherrypicked quotes and didn't cite the source so people could read it in context. Did you include, "no one interviewed by The Dallas Morning News remembered Ahmed getting into trouble for bringing his creations to Sam Houston". Nope. Nothing about him being bullied either.

    Which is evidence of absolutely nothing. One teachers opinion. The teacher that is actually on the record liked the kid immensely and encouraged him to stand up for his rights. How can Ahmed win when one teacher punishes him for something another teacher encourages?

    That was what was reported 10 days ago. We still have only a reporters article citing anonymous teachers stories that don't even rise to anything insidious . . . total kid stuff.

    Well, that is what people assume when a student is said to have "gotten into trouble". Detention for reciting the first amendment, blowing bubbles in the bathroom, and complaining about being bullied is essentially no big deal. Routine minor rule breaking. Hardly something to make people think he was a potential terrorists is it?

    So you would have been a better parent and you probably are from what I perceive. We get it. Self-righteousness indignation of another's parenting is quite common and sometimes accurate . I don't see how this reflects on the kid, though.

    Not an anonymous person! Such could also be said to be a lie. Testimony is something much more formal and involves first person public accountability.

    tes·ti·mo·ny noun
    1. a formal written or spoken statement, especially one given in a court of law.
    2. evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something.
    3. a public recounting of a religious conversion or experience.​

    Because no one must prove himself innocent in this country. And no one has even alleged that he is guilty of anything. You would protect your child as well.

    Some are determined to smear Ahmed anyway. He's just an immature child.
     
  3. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Then perhaps all should freely disregard your opinion as you offer it?

    I didn't cherrypick. You brought up a bunch of "positive" quotes as if I ignored them but indeed, I did post them. So now I didn't include the ones you liked. Lol. But BTW, you just provided an anonymous source with what could be a bad memory. Disregard that one. And the bullying is Ahmed's opinion. Doesn't mean it happened. Disregard.

    The point is he had detention.....more than once....that is a problem, not a normalcy.

    Exactly where did you read 10 days or even 8 days ago that he was never in trouble and had good behavior? I didn't read that. There was nothing out there that I remember stating how good of a kid he was. Absolutely nobody had time two weeks ago to even find that stuff out, nor were they asking.

    Attention seeker. He got detention more than once. He was a problem child.

    Self-righteous indignation my ass. His parents did not do their job. It's not exactly rocket science.

    My use of the word stands. It is not limited to a court of law. Two people gave their direct knowledge. That fits #2.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If I can't support it, sure. We do that all the time here. We all have opinions, but not all of them are facts. It is why opinions get challenged.

    It was on the radio when the story first broke. They said he was not known to be a troublemaker.

    They did not, I agree with you. But its still self-rigteous indignation on both our parts. And not Ahmed's fault.

    Only one named teacher who gave his reasons on the record and he liked and encouraged the kid. The named lawyer was the one who got his suspension for fighting overturned because Ahmed was only defending himself.

    Yes, by all means, let us call this testimony . . . that Ahmed was not a troublemaker.
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    part of my job, ds. i have a very good idea about them. still there was no reason to detain the kid. this was racial profiling.
     
  6. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Show us what one looks like
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Since when is Islam a race?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It can be an ethnicity, like being a Jew.
     
  9. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    I know some grown ups that are immature and say silly things. myself included. But this is a snapshot of how society deals with things differently now.

    Bottom line is 9/11 changed this world in many ways. Kids don't have the option to be young silly and immature anymore. Not at 14. Doing that gets you put in handcuffs and your all distressed for the rest of your life for getting the attention you were begging for.

    Im like VBALL if it was my kid he would be punished and I would be apologizing to the school. But when I was a kid there were less parents wanting to reason with little johnny and more willing to discipline there kids for doing wrong.
     
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  10. tigerchick46

    tigerchick46 Quick Learner

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    I'll simplify it for you, they are all terrorist or wanna be terrorist and need to be beat into submission or eradicated.
     
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