Do you prefer that Hasan lived and can now stand trial?

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    1) I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
    2) I thought you were against water boarding and or torture.
    3) I have no clue what you are referring to about making torture legal.:huh:
    That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.:insane:
    That is like making speeding legal.
    The law has nothing to do with it, these people were picked up off a battlefield, it is about war not some criminal act.
    I've never seen any soldiers picked up off the battlefield tried in civilian courts before that I can recall.
    Maybe Nuremberg I guess but for the most part it doesn't happen.
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 16, 2009
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The George W. Bush administration tried to make torture legal by redefining "torture" for the CIA to evade the US law against torture under Title 18 of the United States Code. LINK

    You are confusing your detainees. Some were just taliban insurgent guerilla infantry picked up on battlefields and are thus subject to the Geneva Convention by our own laws. They have not committed crimes against the US, they just fought against our friendly allied warlords in the 2003 battles. The GC say they must be released at the end of the war. So when did/does the war end? That is the question.

    Some of these POW's are subject to war crimes trials for atrocities on the battlefield, however, but it also must be done according to Geneva.

    Others at Gitmo, like 9/11 planner Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and the USS Cole bombers, were Al Qaida terrorists captured while in hiding and are international criminals who committed crimes against the United States. They are subject to US justice.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    For those worried about public disclosure of classified information . . .

     
    red55, Nov 16, 2009
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  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I don't remember but at any rate I am for water boarding or whatever it takes to get the information to capture bad guys so that innocent people don't get killed.
    I don't really see any benefit to making torture legal, I think that is stupid.
    Ok, so I agree with you here
    and here???
    This is the million dollar question and I have asked myself this question quite a bit lately.
    I don't want us to get into a quagmire like the Soviets did.
    Pakistan has endless supply of terrorists coming into Afghanistan.
    I might or might not agree here depends on the individual.
    I think these guys should be tried in military courts.
    They also committed crimes against the military and the US.
    We can agree to disagree, that is ok here.
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 16, 2009
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  5. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    So you are pro torture, but only if it's illegal? :insane:
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    No, I am for saving innocent lives.
    War is war and war is hell and fought to protect society in most cases.
    I don't want to support torture at all but it is necessary in war to save innocent lives.
    Torture usually happens regardless on both sides, "quietly."
    From what few responses you have made of my posts we aren't even in the same universe.:nope:
    Just ignore me and I'll ignore you!
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 18, 2009
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  7. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    You explicitly said that you are for waterboarding, widely considered a form of torture, then explicitly said that you do not see any benefit from making torture legal.

    So, by the power of deduction, you said that you support torture, but only if it's not legal.
     
    ok awesome, Nov 19, 2009
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  8. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I explained the situation above to you very clearly.
    I STILL don't see any benefit from making torture legal because its always been done and its never been legal.
    Its like speeding!:rolleye33:
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 19, 2009
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  9. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    So, again, you're pro law breaking, but only when it furthers your agenda. Correct?
     
    ok awesome, Nov 19, 2009
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  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Same for yourself, Gummy or LSUMM.
    Don't play this high horse game with me, it aint going to work Amigo!
    You are the third one to do this and I've pointed out that nothing is black and white and we all make choices within reason.
    I'm sure at sometime in your holy life you have went over the speed limit!:insane:
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 19, 2009
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