Do you prefer that Hasan lived and can now stand trial?

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Yo go Shane. Hoisted on their own petard.

    That, my friend, is a huge steaming pile of crap. You are busted. Take it like a man.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They are not. They are the international criminals that I spoke of. But we caught a lot of prisoners on the battlefield that Bush specifically referred to as Prisoners of War. Most have been released already, but there are some left and Geneva will have to be dealt with.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You want your cake and you want to eat it, too. Look, they've already discovered that he had contacts in Pakistan. We need to be able to interrogate this guy and find out if he's actuallly working alone. He's not going anywhere. We can try, convict and execute him at our leisure, after we've gotten all that we need from him.

    The guys they are trying have a ton of 9/11 evidence against them and they are being tried in New York City. Pigs will fly before these five get aquitted. Why dick around? Put them on trial, convict them and execute them according to the law. Get it done. Why do you want to do nothing? Why do you want to ignore the time-honored laws of the USA. Why do you think our laws won't work?

    Damned unlikely for anyone to be acquitted at this point. Only the hard-core criminals are left, for the most part. Why are we letting them live in this tropical camp playing soccer? Let's try them and sentence them. The 9/11 planners and other terrorists will be executed and the rest will get life sentences in a SuperMax prison where they have zero physical contact with other prisoners or guards, solitary confinement, one hour outside their cell per day, alone in a small courtyard. There has never been an escape from a SuperMax prison. They make Gitmo look like Disneyland.

    You are letting an unreasonable fear of one of these guys getting away keep us from lawfully disposing of the bulk of them, perhaps all of them. I seriously think that the Pentagon has already released the prisoners that we have no case against. We can convict the remaining prisoners. Doing nothing is accomplishing nothing.
     
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  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I thought you were against interrogating or is it just water boarding?
    I never said I wanted to do nothing.
    I think they should be tried in a military courtroom instead of a civilian one.
    I'm now going to answer the rest of your questions here saying that in a civilian courtroom our national security could be compromised.
    The soldiers lives and families could be put in danger, secret agents and strategies could be compromised.
    I think civilian court is the wrong way to go, too much information.
    Like I said above, media circus!
    I'm telling you that trying some of these in a civilian court is a gamble and it also puts our country at risk.
    I don't want them living in Disneyland, I would rather bring Disneyland to the poor.
    I don't like the idea of doing nothing either.
    Yes, I have some fear about this situation.
    I don't want to see any of this put our country at risk one way or the other.
    Let's just say that I am concerned about this situation.

    I also wonder if some of these confessed, why a trial would be necessary provided you have proper
    evidence also.
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 14, 2009
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  5. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    Personally I think it would have been best had the SOB died on the scene.
     
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  6. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    No one was criticizing your right to speak; just your reasoning.
     
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  7. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    Regarding his trial, he is an American citizen and entitled by the constitution to due process. What's so difficult to understand?
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've never said any such thing. Stop trying to put words into my mouth. Interrogation is routine. Torture can be necessary but it should be covert. I only object to the ridiculous and un-American attempt to try to make torture legal. Our enemies will only use it against us. We will have our own prisoners taken in the future and we must treat enemy prisoners the way we expect and demand that our prisoners be treated.

    The law is the law. We either believe in our laws or we don't.

    How? What gamble? A trial is a trial--a conviction is a conviction.

    The law is the law. We either believe in our laws or we don't.
     
    red55, Nov 15, 2009
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  9. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    We are off topic again, I think we are talking about the 911 attackers vs this Ft Hood shooter. The hasan idiot is going to fry no matter what.

    The gamble with the 911 attackers is putting it in an open courtroom. What evidence is going to be admissable vs thrown out? If you throw out too much because the lawyers are pussies then what is left to convict him on?
    You know the defense team is already drawing up the change of venue paperwork. I would like to hope he goes down regardless but in this case I want the deck stacked in our favor!
     
    shane0911, Nov 16, 2009
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  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Assuming that these terrorists, Hasan and the 911 attackers are convicted and put into prisons in this country.
    They could convert other prisoners to Jihad against the USA.
    Prisons can be a breeding ground for illegal activity.

    Also Clinton tried some terrorists in this country and they were found guilty from 93.
    That could have brought on the terrorist attacks that followed.

    Be careful what you wish for...
     
    Sourdoughman, Nov 16, 2009
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