DNC works out compromise

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Bengal Buddy, Jun 1, 2008.

  1. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    I'm not defending Obama, I'm simply reacting to dishonest tactics by Clinton. You continue to offend by calling me an Obama shill. I don't agree with a lot of what he stands for. He's just the best of the rest based on the elementary standards that are important to me.

    I don't pretend to believe that politics is played above the board, but I think Obama more than the others appeals to the belief and hope that perhaps some politicians can succeed doing things the right way. That was McCain's battle cry for quite a while, though I've seen from him contempt and entitlement during this election cycle.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What you perceive as dishonest tactics by Clinton, I see as politics as usual.

    Only I didn't call you an Obama shill. If it offends you to be taken for an Obama supporter when you are supporting Obama, then you are too . . . damn . . . sensitive. And you are pitching Obama here. Just read below:

     
  3. luvdimtigers

    luvdimtigers Founding Member

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    As opposed to McCain, while alot of folks think a rough campain is damaging the dems, I think it may be the other way. They're getting more publicity, and have faced the fire, how will McCain do when the democratic machine turns it's full attention on him?
     
  4. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Polls suggest a pretty close race now. But it will be interesting to see how McCain deals with raising far less $ than either Hillary or Obama. I imagine it will be difficult to overcome in the long run.
     
  5. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Those are the least of his problems, Im listening to his speech now and he has some work to do.

    A very contradictory speech.
     
  6. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    I didn't catch a lot of contradictions, though he is painful to watch give a speech. Not sure that he can do much about that in a few months.
     
  7. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    Contradictory in what way. I saw no evidence of him contradicting himself.

    Admittedly, public speaking is not his strong suit. Obama did a much better job on that level. However, his content was very good. McCain's strong point is in debates and town hall meeting formats. If debates play an important role in this election, give the advantage to McCain.

    McCain needs to tell the American people what is his vision for the country. Issues are important, but they have to be wrapped up in a vision. He also needs to steal the issue of change from Obama. He can do that be focusing on the direction of change rather than on the image of change.
     
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  8. LSUMASTERMIND

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    How is it not a contradiction, when he says he isnt aligning himself with George Bush, but he agreed and voted in favor of Bushs policies in 2007, 95% of the time. Thats a given fact that was repeated several times last night.

    I see it as contradiction, maybe you dont. But I am calling him out.

    He gave his speech in New Orleans, when he did nothing to help the people of hurricane Katrina, he was having a birthday party when the disaster struck and wasnt heard from for days after that.

    How was he against Bush tax cuts and now he plans on doubling them and said they are favorable.

    How does he say, he is against diplomacy, but in 2003, he said he would have to meet and deal with Hamas, (those are his words)

    How does he say he is against lobbyist and people involved in backroom deals with dictators and his campaign manager Charlie Black, has lobbied on the behalf of companies in Iran and that deal with dictators.

    He called Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, John Hagee agents of Intolerance and now all of a sudden he panders to the relgious right by seeking their endorsement.

    First he said he didnt support amnesty, now he does for a certain number of people.

    First he sponsored legislation allowing citizenship to some illegals, then he said he wouldnt vote for his own legislation.

    I guess its ok to talk about pastors and association, but I dont see anyone here calling McCain out for his associations and flip flops. But I will :)

    YouTube - McCain's flip flop express
     
  9. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Then I guess you believe that politics as usual involves dishonest tactics. I don't think you're wrong, but I don't feel as resigned to the idea that dishonest tactics are ok while it seems something so small as dishonesty won't play a role in your decision making process.

    I imagine you believe Obama has been playing just as dirty as the rest of them, and you may be right; I'm not privy to all the dirty tactics used and I haven't been paying close attention to politics lately. I do believe Obama does a better job of appearing more genuine and honest and I can actually believe that he is both of those things. Those things are important to me, and I believe they are ideals our society holds dearly. If we can't continue to have hope that our leaders can and should be genuine and good, we won't really be the beacon of freedom we all believe we are.

    You called me an Obamatron or something equally silly. I am leaning toward Obama, but I'm not living and breathing the guy. I didn't mean you've been filling my droors with sand (itchy) when I said you continue to offend, just that you continue to overeagerly label me as some Obama nut.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This hurts McCain, because people do tend to equate articulate speaking with lucid thinking . . . especially after the inarticulate and fumbling George W. Bush. The country is looking for a much smarter President this time around and McCain needs to demonstrate that he intellectual enough for the job.
     

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